(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2008 US Open Rd6 Bd1 - Mingjiu Jiang 7p vs MyungWan Kim 8p]PW[Mingjiu Jiang]PB[MyungWan Kim]WR[7p]BR[8p]DT[2008-08-09]RO[6]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[LSF [10k\]: when the game starts?
Groningen [8k\]: 2 pro`s, that is certainly interesting
USGO1 [-\]: <gmt>2008-08-09 16:00</gmt>
Chievo [3k?\]: youre right fc groningen
Violence [?\]: What a match to finish off the open...
Oame [2k\]: Uiuiui...  O_o
Violence [?\]: Will there be a USGO4 this morning?
chunga [8d\]: Go Myung Wan~~
xval [7k\]: what a match 7p vs 8p..
Chievo [3k?\]: and 8d comment
Chievo [3k?\]: really great match already
xval [7k\]: it's in live?
USGO1 [-\]: we've run short of volunteers for board 4 today
USGO1 [-\]: care to come fill in Eric?
Groningen [8k\]: This is the best part of the game, the players are getting ready staring at each other and at the open board, the spectators are powering up their kibitz and the score est is broken.
USGO1 [-\]: The players are strolling in slowly this morning... even though the pairings have already been posted
jasonbe [2k?\]: ...the teraflops are spooling up...
Violence [?\]: Believe me, I'd love to if there wasn't the small matter of the Pacific Ocean in the way
Violence [?\]: But thanks, Dennis.
Groningen [8k\]: is there already someone cleaning the boards ?
USGO1 [-\]: :)
Chievo [3k?\]: fc groningen, maybe you could do that
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 US Open, broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon!
MrShintou [-\]: is this the board for first place?
Violence [?\]: Yep.
Chievo [3k?\]: Im excited to see this
MrShintou [-\]: :( gentlerain :*(
USGO1 [-\]: So far MyungWan kim is undefeated in the Open
Chievo [3k?\]: yesterday kim was really going all out with his brown fan
Violence [?\]: Mr. Kim is undefeated, while Mr. Jiang has one loss to Kuo Yin
USGO1 [-\]: For latest Congress tourney info, click on http://usgo.org/congress/2008/  Round-by-Round pairings, running crosstabs and more!
DragonBoat [6d\]: what is this game ???
chunga [8d\]: Myung Wan was the top 8 in the Sam Sung World Championship 3 years ago
chunga [8d\]: He was a runner-up in 4 Korean titles before
Pinus [2k\]: Black has obviously a winning position.
SMX [1d\]: nah, pretty even untill now.
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regatta: what are you guys talking about? i only see an empty board
shinkirou [1k\]: :)
USGO1 [-\]: The players are at the table
SMX [1d\]: :O
Chievo [3k?\]: kim obviously is strong for his age to get to 8p while being in his twenties
Crumb [7k\]: I place my bets on a high chinese opening
rosepark22 [3k\]: is this "the" final?
USGO1 [-\]: Kim has his fan folded on the table in front of him
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: yesss
fauna [8k?\]: regatta, you didn't get the special game-viewing glasse4s?
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;B[pd]C[moiiiiiiii [2d\]: great move
SMX [1d\]: amazing.
shinkirou [1k\]: lol
Ukasuhs [2k\]: i wanna see the taisha for once in this tournament
Chievo [3k?\]: yes his fan again!
Exception [5k\]: resing
chunga [8d\]: Kim currently resides in Los Angeles 
USGO1 [-\]: Jiang brought a fan with him this morning, he's holding it in his lap
SMX [1d\]: lol.
justingo [14k\]: i went to summer go camp
Violence [?\]: The taisha was played between Feng Yun and Michael Chen
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: taisha= ?
SMX [1d\]: hmm, hard decision for white.
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;W[dc]C[chunga [8d\]: Kim is well-respected pro and looking for students in LA area
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;B[dq]C[Burton [6k\]: the taisha ia a complicated joseki pattern with many variations
joelw [12k\]: the modern high chinese after w plays in bottom right is now k9
Pinus [2k\]: Facing komoku…
regatta: does he take 20k's
SMX [1d\]: lol joel
Wolf84 [1k\]: only 19kyu 's
fauna [8k?\]: 20k's with money
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;W[pp]
;B[ce]C[chunga [8d\]: ^^
Chievo [3k?\]: chunga
Chievo [3k?\]: are you his student?
chunga [8d\]: I am his manager
Chievo [3k?\]: or in his study group
Chievo [3k?\]: ahh
chunga [8d\]: and friend
SMX [1d\]: chunga could you play even with either of them?
chunga [8d\]: no
chunga [8d\]: I am too weak
DrStraw [-\]: why did he move to LA?  He was a successful pro in Korean?
justingo [14k\]: is there anyway to record this game
Wolf84 [1k\]: sure he could , but he"d probably lose no?
SMX [1d\]: hmm, that good ah.
Ukasuhs [2k\]: d5
chunga [8d\]: I have no chance against Myung Wan
Groningen [8k\]: d12 looks nice
USGO1 [-\]: Kim fans himself briefly; Jiang glances around the room
chunga [8d\]: no personal questions^^
SMX [1d\]: ^^
HFL [8d\]: hehe
Crumb [7k\]: Any player can defete any other player on any given day
chunga [8d\]: but I defeated many other pros
plotzo [5k\]: given reasonably equal levels of competence
waaa [-\]: when possesed by sai, crumb?
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: D5 is the most common
Wolf84 [1k\]: if you can defeat one opponent you can defeat anyone
jjermann [1k\]: I lost with 7h against a 8p from China ^^
joelw [12k\]: especially if they are playing football
SMX [1d\]: Mind giving examples ?
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: D6 i mean
Chievo [3k?\]: what do you think of hsis fan chunga?
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;W[ed]C[Pinus [2k\]: Only Mogo can defeats Kim.
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;B[ci]C[moiiiiiiii [2d\]: or d11
justingo [14k\]: they are taking a really long time
shanku [4k\]: lol
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;W[do]C[Wolf84 [1k\]: because its not blotz
shanku [4k\]: they have 2 hours for the game
joelw [12k\]: ming says "I'm sai, gl"
JamPet [15k\]: Well they have lots of time to use, too
Wolf84 [1k\]: *blitz
shinkirou [1k\]: i wish takemiya would comment this game like yesterday's game :(
Email [5k\]: oooooh, shuusaku kosumi move :o
Groningen [8k\]: White e16 is solid and slow.
JamPet [15k\]: I like the comments but I don't like when they start using the demonstration tools this server has
justingo [14k\]: is there anyway to record this game using my computer
SMX [1d\]: develope to the low side now, no?
Email [5k\]: it's a peacefull move
Ukasuhs [2k\]: their goban is possessed by the spirit of sai
Ukasuhs [2k\]: only mingjiu can see the blood stain though
SoulShard [-\]: E16 looks like a peaceful way to prevent b from making a moyo
SMX [1d\]: justingo, when they finish the game you can download the SGF.
Email [5k\]: if white plays peacefully, he'll win with komi
Burton [6k\]: you can save the game to disc at the end and get it all
MCGler [2k\]: (options -> save to disk)
AoX [10k?\]: what's the time for each player ?
Burton [6k\]: it will show up in Cgoban
articienta [-\]: keep your comments related to the game
jcny [15k\]: it doesn't look like time has started
Burton [6k\]: under the edit button
joelw [12k\]: a bit under 2 hours each prob
USGO1 [-\]: Time limits are 2 hours basic time, 5 periods of 30 seconds byo yomi.
Burton [6k\]: go tothe options button to save it
AoX [10k?\]: thank you 
Chievo [3k?\]: w is going with oldfashioned shusaku opening in the upper left
Batavia [5k\]: is diagonal play like Q16/D3 common?
Pinus [2k\]: I wonder if apincer is appropriate now.
Wolf84 [1k\]: that is not suhsaku opening
Crumb [7k\]: Well, a crosscut is really good for fighting games
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: CF: cho hun-hyeon VS zhang Yingting
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: same begining
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: 2004
Chievo [3k?\]: it is wolf
Chievo [3k?\]: it is copyrighter
Chievo [3k?\]: d
Wolf84 [1k\]: it is not
SMX [1d\]: ...
Burton [6k\]: white will attempt to get outside influence from the D5 stone
Enraiha [8k\]: lol it's not
justingo [14k\]: is there anyway to save the rest of the game now
Enraiha [8k\]: chievo top left stone is in the wrong place
Burton [6k\]: to go with the star stone
SMX [1d\]: the rest of the game?
Wolf84 [1k\]: haha it hasnt been played yet
Enraiha [8k\]: end of discussion
justingo [14k\]: bcause i have to leave on a camping trip
joelw [12k\]: when I play diagonal, it's because I dont want to have to invade deep early
Wolf84 [1k\]: unless you see the fuiture you cant save it now
USGO1 [-\]: Jiang stares off into the distance, while Kim looks intently at the board
justingo [14k\]: hello
NHM [6k\]: ^^
waaa [-\]: usgo comments are the best :D
justingo [14k\]: can i record this whole game now
JamPet [15k\]: Commentating for bonus points early in the game!
SoulShard [-\]: I don't think B will pinch...
Burton [6k\]: no
justingo [14k\]: possibly
dima [2d\]: justingo, the game is saved in USGO game list
NHM [6k\]: C17 ? 
trixxer [3k\]: no but the game are on www.usgo.org
SMX [1d\]: "USGO1" *
justingo [14k\]: O
justingo [14k\]: srry
MCGler [2k\]: ...
Burton [6k\]: good
joelw [12k\]: b should play c7 and say "5 spaces is the new 4"
Chievo [3k?\]: shusaku would turn around in his grave if he heard you guys talk
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;B[co]C[NHM [6k\]: why ?
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: d4 
SoulShard [-\]: I say w goes for the avalanche!
Wolf84 [1k\]: chievo is just trolling
USGO1 [-\]: Jiang leans over for a closer look
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: d4 c4 e3 d6 
Pinus [2k\]: NOw, D4 only?
SMX [1d\]: pretty tense.
justingo [14k\]: how do i acces the usgo game list
Email [5k\]: ooooh
poukram [1d\]: why not c6?
Email [5k\]: tsuke
Pinus [2k\]: Or C6 and then play elsewhere.
MCGler [2k\]: the question is, what after that, moiiiiiii ;)
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;W[dp]
;B[cp]C[Email [5k\]: i think w plays f4
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;W[eq]C[SoulShard [-\]: :)
Email [5k\]: d4*
NHM [6k\]: oh
dima [2d\]: justingo, same way you accept anybody's game. look at USGO1 user info, click games
Chievo [3k?\]: tricky joseki here
Pinus [2k\]: So, this is difficult right from the beginning.
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: no
Chievo [3k?\]: b trying to find the appropiate one for the situatino
NHM [6k\]: b C3 or D7 ?
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;B[dn]C[Groningen [8k\]: yeah, i don`t understand this yoseki either
NHM [6k\]: ^^
Pinus [2k\]: Unless they chose a simple variation.
Crumb [7k\]: E4 doesent work does it?
Longshi [-\]: hum
NHM [6k\]: ^^
justingo [14k\]: i dont really understand
Pinus [2k\]: Small avaanche is rarely seen these days, isn't it?
MCGler [2k\]: +l :P
Spirit [?\]: looks good for black this unless white has sth special up his sleeve
justingo [14k\]: how do i get onto user info
waaa [-\]: pinus maybe it's the c11 in place that makes this a better choice?
Spirit [?\]: c11 big effect yes
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: this is exactly the same begining that the game cho hun-hyeon VS zhang Yingting played in 2004 in the 4th chinese city league
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: league b
justingo [14k\]: someone plz awnser
SMX [1d\]: What did they play back then?
Pinus [2k\]: C3 only move now?
NHM [6k\]: C3 is joseki
MCGler [2k\]: well, the sequence after the kosumi on e16 somewhat comes naturally, i guess
x6er [6k\]: what is the next move moiiiii
wren [21k?\]: justingo: right click on username and select "View Info", then goto the games tab
SMX [1d\]: Right-Click  -->  View Info
NHM [6k\]: ^^
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: c3
Ukasuhs [2k\]: justingo: go to KGS: Rooms; user, view user's information
NHM [6k\]: ^^
Burton [6k\]: white can take the fighting variation here becaiuse of the white star
Equitsumei [-\]: hm. . l like w here, but l see myung wan getting ov er w . .
Longshi [-\]: wonder what white is thinking about
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: u want the result ?
dima [2d\]: justingo, why don't you look online documentation? No rooms, just USer->User's information
Mihan [6k\]: It is too soon to judge. 
Chievo [3k?\]: moiiiiii they are recreating history
x6er [6k\]: black wins right?
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;W[cq]C[Longshi [-\]: I mean, there is no variation aside from cutting
Pinus [2k\]: He thinks about the situation after the whole joseki is played.
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;B[dr]C[NHM [6k\]: ỷah
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;W[bq]
;B[er]
;W[fp]C[Longshi [-\]: waste of time though, things are clearer once this is played
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;B[fo]C[Burton [6k\]: white simplifies here
NHM [6k\]: ^^
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;W[gp]C[driver [7k\]: yeah
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;B[en]C[justingo [14k\]: after view user info then what
Violence [?\]: D6 is odd to me... I personally wonder why black didn't play C6
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;W[ep]C[PAG2 [-\]: longshi, that's why he is pro and you are not :
Chievo [3k?\]: this is exactly why you cant study joseki
Cobja [1d\]: new joseki
TanGeng [2d?\]: he's choosing how to play the joseki
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: the redsult is W + resign move 232
Equitsumei [-\]: oh, this, then.
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: b4 
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;B[bp]C[Groningen [8k\]: is this still joseki ?
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: c6 
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;W[cn]C[Longshi [-\]: PAG2 : that may also be the reason why he loses on time and I do not
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;B[bn]C[TheCATS [2d\]: not new joseki--this is pretty standard small avalanche
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;W[cm]C[NHM [6k\]: joseki ^^
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;B[br]C[moiiiiiiii [2d\]: c7 b2 
TanGeng [2d?\]: each variation has a different effect on the outside
justingo [14k\]: sfter view use info then what
Burton [6k\]: white will take territory at the bottom
joelw [12k\]: moiiiii, I bet u suck to watch a movie with when you've already seen it
Equitsumei [-\]: aside from this, it would have been awful for b. .
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: b7 
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: a5 
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;W[bm]C[moiiiiiiii [2d\]: b7 a5 d10
TheCATS [2d\]: this looks hard for w
Mihan [6k\]: Isnt this a little but too good for black?
Chievo [3k?\]: not yet
Mihan [6k\]: the joseki I mean. 
Spirit [?\]: I get 4 results with c11 and q4, 75% for white surprisingly
x6er [6k\]: interesting :)
shy [-\]: the joseki itself is even, but c11 helps black
x6er [6k\]: moiiiii
chunga [8d\]: B looks more comfortable
Spirit [?\]: yeah it looks bad for white
Spirit [?\]: locally
Longshi [-\]: locally white isn't bad
Cobja [1d\]: not THAT bad, but
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: lol joel
Burton [6k\]: white can fight because of the star stone
Crumb [7k\]: star stone?
NHM [6k\]: ^^
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: i stop
x6er [6k\]: moiii who wins the match?
waaa [-\]: lol
x6er [6k\]: white or black?
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: w move 232
calgacus [2d?\]: All joseki
eng60340 [8k?\]: hmm. the whole left corner is a joseki ??
Cyclone001 [?\]: a3 c2 or a5ish?
USGO1 [-\]: Time limits are 2 hours basic time, 5 periods of 30 seconds byo yomi.
TheCATS [2d\]: c11 a little more relevant than q4 at this point in the fight... star point doesn't guarantee much
justingo [14k\]: what do i type in on view user information
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;B[aq]C[Spirit [?\]: joseki except for c11
justingo [14k\]: to look at this game later
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to Round 6, the final round of the US Open! We’re broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon.
takami [-\]: how incompetent can you be...
SoulShard [-\]: A3? Isn't Joseki A5?
x6er [6k\]: moiiii not a5 
MCGler [2k\]: ohhhh. now white's gonna lose, that's an unexpected vriaton! :P
MCGler [2k\]: +a
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: now the game become different :)
Equitsumei [-\]: now b fe els nice . .
dima [2d\]: justingo: take a wild guess: USGO1
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Spirit [?\]: a3 is possible
Cobja [1d\]: US open is full of outsiders?
Akagi316 [7k\]: looks better for b
x6er [6k\]: I wonder if white will play d10 or not
Spirit [?\]: f2 less interesting for white now
justingo [14k\]: plz awnser:(
Violence [?\]: I guess this was black's black with konadare
Altair [7k\]: who will win the tornament if Mingiju wins?
joelw [12k\]: w can a5 now if he wants
Akagi316 [7k\]: what's w gonna do about c6 stones i wonder
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;W[dk]C[PAG2 [-\]: justingo: are you trying to see info on the current players.. ? if you do it's not going to work
jcny [15k\]: justingo... stop disturbing us discuss.. go explore it yourself...
Akagi316 [7k\]: nice
NHM [6k\]: ^^
Violence [?\]: Joseki is G7, but I don't feel black will play it
NHM [6k\]: 1 weak white stone and 2 weak black ones
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: justingo find a girlfriend
Spirit [?\]: j5 not possible now
PAG2 [-\]: or an admin
Pinus [2k\]: White aims at C13 invasion.
regatta: did w get a fair share in lower left?
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: can be both?
PAG2 [-\]: a girlfriend admin?
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moiiiiiiii [2d\]: hum no
drilo [1k\]: !please keep your comment related to the game
Chievo [3k?\]: I think w is very thick
Akagi316 [7k\]: i thought w is aiming to take F5 stones
shy [-\]: w is not thick
joelw [12k\]: w is aiming to bail out c7
Akagi316 [7k\]: three purposes? :D
Violence [?\]: white is not thick...
Violence [?\]: this is a fight
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: w is sick ?
andy8452 [5k\]: wow black is undefeated so far
eng60340 [8k?\]: what kyu/dan shld you be to know the left corner joseki...cos it's so long...
kyuboy [9k\]: omfg go ming jiu
kyuboy [9k\]: GO!
kyuboy [9k\]: sorry javaness
Chievo [3k?\]: W is very thick at the moment
Chievo [3k?\]: already going for the center
USGO1 [-\]: Kim has his head in his hands with his elbows on the table, while Jiang again stares off into the distance around the room
Violence [?\]: eng: I had to look it up and I know too many joseki for my level
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;B[ho]C[Chievo [3k?\]: no need to brag violence
SMX [1d\]: lol
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;W[iq]C[Chievo [3k?\]: we all acknowledge your strength
USGO1 [-\]: Jiang gets up from the table
Ukasuhs [2k\]: 200 moves later
Cyclone001 [?\]: tell him to sit back down and start playing!
PAG2 [-\]: cigarette of bathroom break?
USGO1 [-\]: Our broadcasting team today: Game Recorders: Board 1: Dennis Wheeler; 2: Richard Dolen; 3: Casey Alexander. Matthew Heymering (KGS admin); Steve Colburn (IT/back-up); Chris Garlock, Managing Editor
Violence [?\]: well, he wanted an idea... just basically, you shouldn't need to learn the bottom left for a while.
tianyake [3d\]: mingjiu go back to table 1 again?
tianyake [3d\]: did he lost 2 games?
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;B[jn]C[Violence [?\]: he lost 1, I believe
AoX [10k?\]: he's 4-1
buggler [2k\]: this k6 move
regatta: c13 for w at some point/
buggler [2k\]: too strong for me
Chievo [3k?\]: well I think there are 3 contenders for the title
buggler [2k\]: i barely understand it
tianyake [3d\]: how about feng yun?
TanGeng [2d?\]: so hmm Minjiu has to win this then
joelw [12k\]: f8 I like
Spirit [?\]: somehow I don't like d9, feels slow
TanGeng [2d?\]: fengyun didn't play
Chievo [3k?\]: as I understand it
Violence [?\]: where would you have played D9, Spirit?
Chievo [3k?\]: in theory 5 players can win the title
Spirit [?\]: d10
waaa [-\]: spirit but d10 solidifies left completly, doesn't it?
tianyake [3d\]: I saw her play the other day, beat zhaonian chen 8d
Spirit [?\]: yeh
Email [5k\]: who do you think wins?
Spirit [?\]: that's unfortunate :)
Spirit [?\]: but now black has double threat of e10 and L3
Spirit [?\]: or thereabouts
buggler [2k\]: i would like black here i think
Spirit [?\]: white is solid on top so it's not so bad to make black solid too I think
tianyake [3d\]: black leads, I think
Email [5k\]: yyeah
waaa [-\]: i wonder if another move by d9 would allow w to exchange an attack at the buttom for one on the left
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu returns and begins to study the board
Pinus [2k\]: White is vry busy: two weak groups to handle.
eng60340 [8k?\]: thanks for all the comments. makes me understand it more :)
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;W[kp]C[EnHoeDan [7k\]: glad he is not studying the newspaper
jasch [1k\]: seems like he studied the board enough before he went away
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: ghb
MrShintou [-\]: hard to attack d9.
Spirit [?\]: hard to settle too
Chievo [3k?\]: b is forcing w wrong direction
jasch [1k\]: d10 looks ood to me for b
jasch [1k\]: good*
Heartbrok [3k\]: E10 look okay
Groningen [8k\]: e16 is very solid and it helps the d9 stones also a bit
gtrer: e11 looks good to me
Spirit [?\]: but it should be interesting fight whatever happens
Spirit [?\]: not very easy
Mohican [3k\]: who won yesterday, fen or yang?
joelw [12k\]: b should force w north I think, and make use of the moyo at e6
Fokatukc [7k\]: b9 forces w to run
septa [-\]: Mohican, Fen
Aldor [1k\]: F9?
Pinus [2k\]: Moyo?
Violence [?\]: moyo at e6? what moyo? There's a stone there...
Mohican [3k\]: good
manestor [7k\]: "it's no fun to run alone : if you have to run, take somebody with you"
joelw [12k\]: moyo=influence
Pinus [2k\]: Aweak group is not a moyo.
manestor [7k\]: (fan hui, french pro)
Fokatukc [7k\]: ?
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;B[gk]C[Aldor [1k\]: was not far!
gtrer: g9 beautiful
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: lol
waaa [-\]: ahh maybe no more weaknes around h6 :)
alienist [5k\]: moyo=framework
wijii [-\]: fancy move
Spirit [?\]: funny shape :)
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: iwould you sahy the same thing if a 15 k play it
USGO1 [-\]: For latest Congress tourney info, click on http://usgo.org/congress/2008/  Round-by-Round pairings, running crosstabs and more!
joelw [12k\]: I'm saying I meant influence
Violence [?\]: Like... if most of us played G9 in our games, we might be called slack
waaa [-\]: 2 more eyes around e10 and g10 and we have a smiley :D
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: yes 
poukram [1d\]: b's shape looks like a bomber :p
waaa [-\]: *e10 and j10 :)
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;W[di]
;B[dh]C[septa [-\]: + L6 
septa [-\]: *j6 
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;W[ei]C[joelw [12k\]: c10
Violence [?\]: This sequence looks painful for white... but feels like no choice...
Chievo [3k?\]: well urgent before big
Spirit [?\]: kosumi at e10 was not impossible I guess
USGO1 [-\]: Jiang raises his hand and lowers it back to the bowl several times before playing this move
Cyclone001 [?\]: USGO1:  I was reading your info - did you broadcast the "Kim MyungWan 8p vs Computer (Mogo)" match?  Is there a record of it?
royalty [3d\]: mogotitan
USGO1 [-\]: see usgo.org
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;B[cj]C[Vash3G [-\]: you can find the game record at http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/
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;W[el]C[andy8452 [5k\]: http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42
Ho [5k\]: g7 
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: i prefer w
Spirit [?\]: f8
eng60340 [8k?\]: in years to come, computer would beat the pros. and we humanity will be truely humbled
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;B[fl]C[wijii [-\]: yeah they will
Ho [5k\]: bravo:)
Javaness [-\]: no the pros would rise up against the machines like in Terminator
SMX [1d\]: lol
andy8452 [5k\]: lol
AoX [10k?\]: cyborg pros : )
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan starts to play, hesitates and pulls back; then plays
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: neo would come save us
Singer [10k\]: if mingjiu wins, does he win the tournament?
wijii [-\]: hopefully without the accent
waaa [-\]: maybe kgs will be hosting that 3 layered board game when that time comes =)
andy8452 [5k\]: would it be called gonet??
manestor [7k\]: a computer beat a 8d with 9 handi the other day
ShihChing [8k\]: And then the computers will be elected governor of California.
Soromon [1d\]: at this point jiang was 4-1 and kim was 5-0
joelw [12k\]: I'm come from the future, myungwan, to protect you from the cut at c12
eng60340 [8k?\]: :D
AoX [10k?\]: ^^'
Chievo [3k?\]: 5 players can win tournament
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: every "thing" can be elected over there
Chievo [3k?\]: 4 at 4-1 and 1 at 5-0
Soromon [1d\]: If Kim lost here there would be several 5-1 records
Soromon [1d\]: and it would come down to opponent win percentage I guess?
USGO1 [-\]: Jiang folds his arms on the table and leans into the board
Mohican [3k\]: f9?
joelw [12k\]: d13
krakengo [1d\]: b gets a nice shape
krakengo [1d\]: hard for mingjiu
Mohican [3k\]: b threatens f9, doesnt he?
Mohican [3k\]: err
Mohican [3k\]: e9
Mohican [3k\]: i mean
gtrer: e12?
Pinus [2k\]: F12 now?
Mohican [3k\]: f12 helps black
xushibagua [5k\]: b trying to setup e6?
Pinus [2k\]: How?
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;W[eh]C[Mohican [3k\]: well he will react and make his group save
joelw [12k\]: b has weakness at d12 stone
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;B[dg]
;W[eg]C[joelw [12k\]: f12 would play away from the weakness and give him time
Mohican [3k\]: like he did now =)
Mohican [3k\]: exchange
Violence [?\]: black profits nicely here...
xushibagua [5k\]: by b i mean w
Violence [?\]: I like black's position very much
Wolf84 [1k\]: e8 seems bad exchange for white
Spirit [?\]: without e8 there's cut :)
joelw [12k\]: w neeeded to protect cut, e8 was good reply
Violence [?\]: E8 was necessary... o
dima [2d\]: I am thinking of inviting black's position out to dinner, violence
Soromon [1d\]: Black gets to settle comfortably on the left and has sente x.X
Chievo [3k?\]: his lucky fan is working for him
Spirit [?\]: not decided yet but I'd prefer black myself
gtrer: na du
Kashuu [1k\]: hmm hard to make a choice, playing wise i like black more but looks very even so far
joelw [12k\]: tenuki where?
krakengo [1d\]: this enclosing is good for w though
Violence [?\]: It's gote inclosing
manestor [7k\]: k17  to limit w's wall?
joelw [12k\]: k17 ish, ya
joelw [12k\]: was my thought as well
Wolf84 [1k\]: k17 too close
Mohican [3k\]: black likes this result, but i think white is happy too somehow
jasch [1k\]: k16 etter for limiting w power
jasch [1k\]: beter*
krakengo [1d\]: still good for w up there
Violence [?\]: D14 is fine, imo...
Soromon [1d\]: k16 :D
flatchest [1d\]: who won final yesterday?
manestor [7k\]: w doesn't have that much cash
Wolf84 [1k\]: k16 also too close
dima [2d\]: feng yun
andy8452 [5k\]: whats second place prize?
Equitsumei [-\]: f8 might have been instead of e8, e8-f8 was inevitable, and b too nice here. .
Violence [?\]: I think black might considering double hane cut
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan rocks gently back and forth, then adjusts himself to the edga of his seat
Groningen [8k\]: r6 a good idea ?
USGO1 [-\]: *edge
Chievo [3k?\]: did you know kim 8p still hasnt reached the age of 30?
Mohican [3k\]: time to expand right side?
manestor [7k\]: where can we see the players?
shanku [4k\]: wait, the final was yesterday but they're still playing?
waaa [-\]: manestor in their natural habitat, the usgc
jasch [1k\]: r6 not so interesting now
Mohican [3k\]: q10 is a keypoint somehow, but r6 nice too, maybe elsewhere i dont know
dima [2d\]: yesterday was final of NAIM. This is US Open
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;B[ee]C[septa [-\]: differen tournaments, shanku
Violence [?\]: oh my.
krakengo [1d\]: he don't want to get enclosed that easily
krakengo [1d\]: see, not everything is about cash
waaa [-\]: this is just fancy playing =)
eng60340 [8k?\]: the white grp at d9... cannot form 2 eyes yet ?
bavle [-\]: hey any one have the link for the scoreboard for congress so far
bavle [-\]: ?
Violence [?\]: E14?
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html
Soromon [1d\]: us open is here http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42
bavle [-\]: thx 
Soromon [1d\]: for the interactive one
joelw [12k\]: d14
shanku [4k\]: oh thanks
Chievo [3k?\]:  actually he just became 30 this year
Kashuu [1k\]: usgo.org has nice website (link from soromon)
Violence [?\]: he will get quite some publicity if he wins this tournament
chunga [8d\]: yes, he became 30 in January
Niouth: D 14 is nice
Kashuu [1k\]: should be like that all times ;p
Violence [?\]: I like E14 better than D14...
krakengo [1d\]: D14 D15, and ??
joelw [12k\]: c14
Equitsumei [-\]: it was in february. .
Niouth: and c 14 ...
waaa [-\]: lol
chunga [8d\]: Kim is definately the strongest pro in the US currently
Chievo [3k?\]: chunga, do you also have a fan?
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;W[df]C[krakengo [1d\]: mmmh
Niouth: look
Chievo [3k?\]: yes true, chunga
krakengo [1d\]: ok
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;B[cf]
;W[de]C[chunga [8d\]: duno
krakengo [1d\]: big kiai b
Mohican [3k\]: time for tenuki
krakengo [1d\]: lol
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;B[bc]C[Mohican [3k\]: ??
krakengo [1d\]: ??
joelw [12k\]: f15 and make live simple
Violence [?\]: chunga, do you know black's rank among Korean pros? I'm curious.
krakengo [1d\]: necessary
Mohican [3k\]: is b17 really necessary?
Spirit [?\]: black is very clever here
Spirit [?\]: still cutting
krakengo [1d\]: come on
Spirit [?\]: and took all points in corner
andy8452 [5k\]: yes spirit
krakengo [1d\]: C16 too good for w, cannot see ?
waaa [-\]: yes even if b lives, corner in sente for w is too good
chunga [8d\]: Kim has  moved to LA several months ago
andy8452 [5k\]: white has to kill cut??
chunga [8d\]: and haven't played in the Korean tourney for a while
Violence [?\]: I see
Mohican [3k\]: oh i see, thanks waaa
USGO1 [-\]: Jiang wags his head from side to side for a bit
Violence [?\]: When he was still active, do you know his last rank?
Niouth: G 15 ?
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;W[jd]
;B[lc]C[chunga [8d\]: not sure
chunga [8d\]: but he used to be top 20 in Korea before
Chievo [3k?\]: E15 is great aji
Violence [?\]: I see
BAKUDAN [3d\]: top 20 korea is wow
Chievo [3k?\]: kim was one of top korean players before he moved
krakengo [1d\]: yes, tedious for w
Equitsumei [-\]: wel l he snt even in the t op 50 now, but he wa s active still . .
Chievo [3k?\]: but strong competion with the 2 lee's
Kurotsu [1d\]: Hopes he plays Fengen
Violence [?\]: Top Korean might be stretching it, Chievo
tianyake [3d\]: seems to me b leads a lot
Violence [?\]: but I think he is quite strong
Soromon [1d\]: r10 now?
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;W[hj]C[chunga [8d\]: yes, Kim is still very good pro in Korea
Kurotsu [1d\]: oh
Kurotsu [1d\]: shoulderhit
bavle [-\]: the winner of thsi games wins US opean ???
krakengo [1d\]: heard of weak 8p ? bah
bavle [-\]: this *
USGO1 [-\]: a quick slap 'n slide move
joelw [12k\]: b can jump into h17 like area now
Chievo [3k?\]: violence he made several good appearances in tournaments
waaa [-\]: kraken sounds familiar, what does it mean? :)
Chievo [3k?\]: its that he left or he would have still been rising
krakengo [1d\]: see the pic
Spirit [?\]: hm I'm wondering if black couldn't have played kikashi at h12 before m17
Uberdude [2d\]: e15 looks kinda bad now
Tackster: mythical sea beast i think no? - kraken?
waaa [-\]: :)
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;B[jk]C[Uberdude [2d\]: or is it still useful with e14?
bavle [-\]: dose thsi game dicide the winner of US opean 
bavle [-\]: ?
USGO1 [-\]: gently placed
Violence [?\]: Chievo, I'm sure he did well in some tournaments, but it takes more than that to be called a top Korean player...
Mohican [3k\]: k11?
joelw [12k\]: k17
Chievo [3k?\]: youre undermining his accomplishments for sure
krakengo [1d\]: smooth shape b
Violence [?\]: I think you just might be overrating him a little
dima [2d\]: bavle, if black wins, he wins USopen. If white wins, it's about points among several players
chunga [8d\]: He was top 8 at Sam Sung world championship 3 years ago
BAKUDAN [3d\]: top 20 korea is great
Equitsumei [-\]: it takes more than a few to be in the t o p 20 or even 5 0, 
joelw [12k\]: might want to move into top right tho
GoDDy [20k?\]: who was top 8?
joelw [12k\]: or along side :/
chunga [8d\]: Kim
Astral [3k\]: who is the strongest pro nowdays?
krakengo [1d\]: hehe
manestor [7k\]: me
Chievo [3k?\]: lee changho
wijii [-\]: dif opinions
Violence [?\]: And 3 years ago, he also lost to Jie Li in an exhibition match, didn't he?
GoDDy [20k?\]: top8 sounds cool
Pinus [2k\]: Mogo is strongest.
wijii [-\]: i like lee changho too
GoDDy [20k?\]: even me noob heard bout that samsung :p
chunga [8d\]: heard it wasn't even game
RubysDad [3k\]: good to have a new debate about pro strength again
krakengo [1d\]: absurd
MrCthulhu [1d\]: b has cashed in most so far
Violence [?\]: odd... I heard it was even
GoDDy [20k?\]: btw. is there somewhere a homepage which lists all the
RubysDad [3k\]: we should have debates about pron strength much more often
GoDDy [20k?\]: tournaments and stuff ?
chunga [8d\]: how pros play even in amateur ?
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;W[hk]C[GoDDy [20k?\]: in english i mean :p
krakengo [1d\]: i agree w behind now, take chance
Chievo [3k?\]: exhibition with strongest us go player
joelw [12k\]: r6 looks nice for b now
chunga [8d\]: I think it was Black +5 komi
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;B[hl]C[Violence [?\]: I see
Ho [5k\]: g7 ?
chunga [8d\]: If US amateurs play with strong Korean pros in even game, it's disrespectful
MCGler [2k\]: h7
Violence [?\]: well, it was just an exhibition
Mohican [3k\]: h10 needs more liberties somehow
Psychopomp [5k?\]: so what's it called if a US amateur beats a strong korean pro in an even game?
Mohican [3k\]: k10 right move?
Spirit [?\]: h9 looks a bit forced to me
chunga [8d\]: That could happen in any given day
Astral [3k\]: no matter of respect chunga
chunga [8d\]: but rarely
BAKUDAN [3d\]: we call that cheat
Tower [3d\]: haha
szaloony [3k\]: must mention aguilar
Chievo [3k?\]: chunga have you been to US?
Violence [?\]: Chunga lives in the US.
chunga [8d\]: I live closed to Myung Wan
Mohican [3k\]: but g10 is too slow, h11 useless
Tower [3d\]: chunga bunga
Mohican [3k\]: so what to do?
chunga [8d\]: We play tennis every weekend
Chievo [3k?\]: nice :)
Chievo [3k?\]: tennis is good game
Mohican [3k\]: maybe h11?
Beanbag [3d\]: have you beated him ever?
Mohican [3k\]: err
Tower [3d\]: myung wan lives in the us ?
Mohican [3k\]: j11
Khouphrane [5d\]: J8
Javaness [-\]: I would like to play Q10
Chievo [3k?\]: hes aga player so yes
krakengo [1d\]: w up to something agressive
chunga [8d\]: I intentionally lose to him when I play tennis with him
Javaness [-\]: simply because there seem too many choices in the center
Chievo [3k?\]: haha chunga
manestor [7k\]: i like to place my stones with a tennis racket on the go board
wijii [-\]: wait who do you play tennis with?
Chievo [3k?\]: because you bet money?
Tower [3d\]: so he'll teach you go ?
chunga [8d\]: so I can make him happy and learn more Go from him
Chievo [3k?\]: haha
Javaness [-\]: you are very sneaky chunga ^_^
Chievo [3k?\]: or maybe you are just not that good at tennis ^^''
chunga [8d\]: yes, I am very sneaky
Soromon [1d\]: Jiang's opponents up to this point have 16 wins, 9 losses... very strong win percentage.
wijii [-\]: and jiang
joelw [12k\]: chunga smart like salmon
SMX [1d\]: really chunga, we all know he is just better...^_^
wijii [-\]: whats his percentage
Khouphrane [5d\]: J8 and if J9 the : H7, G8, J7, K7, and white plays G6 followed vy F7
Soromon [1d\]: If it comes down to tiebreakers I think Jiang would top the 5-1 standings.
elohimmeth [2k\]: what does chunga mean?
xushibagua [5k\]: 101%
chunga [8d\]: hard to explain^^
chunga [8d\]: maybe my ex-gf
elohimmeth [2k\]: haha..
Chievo [3k?\]: haha
Chievo [3k?\]: maybe it means your ex-gf?
chunga [8d\]: no more personal questions
chunga [8d\]: please
Tower [3d\]: hahaha
SMX [1d\]: lol
chunga [8d\]: Let's focus on the board
Chievo [3k?\]: ok stopping
manestor [7k\]: you started it!
USGO1 [-\]: Jiang sighs and sucks air through his teeth, twirling his closed fan between his fingers as he fidgets in his seat
Chievo [3k?\]: I would personally play R10 at this point
chunga [8d\]: I was just trying to introduce Myung Wan
Chievo [3k?\]: only move for me
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;W[il]C[Javaness [-\]: USGO1: can you tell him to sit still ?
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;B[hm]C[Bierce [1d\]: is myung wan kim mymy on kgs?
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;W[ik]C[Violence [?\]: yes
Soromon [1d\]: Maybe Yongfei has a strong opponent win percentage too... hmm
krakengo [1d\]: mmmh
Chievo [3k?\]: is hu chunga?
Tower [3d\]: ohhhh this is mymy ?  haha cool
Chievo [3k?\]: mr mymy
RubysDad [3k\]: so how strong is kim really?
chunga [8d\]: Myung Wan normally plays very gentle but very strong
joelw [12k\]: tenuki plx
krakengo [1d\]: we will see w's fighting skills
Javaness [-\]: quite strong
chunga [8d\]: I play very agressive but weak
GoDDy [20k?\]: USGO how much thinking time they've left?
dima [2d\]: I can picture the door in the game room opening and javaness striding in. He comes to the table, look at the players and says: "Is everyone being good?"
Mohican [3k\]: good moves by white but bad shape
Uberdude [2d\]: what happened here, looks a disaster for b
ordeal [3k\]: lol dima
Chievo [3k?\]: hahahahahhah
Uberdude [2d\]: k9 was amistake?
Javaness [-\]: XD
Chievo [3k?\]: but javaness is eccentric squirrel
Spirit [?\]: black still has eye on lower group
Spirit [?\]: if he can get L7 and K10 for example
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu gets up from his seat and steps out
Spirit [?\]: white didn't achieve anything
lifeisgood [-\]: maybe bad shape, but k9 stone is harmed
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;B[km]C[Mohican [3k\]: lol spirit
Uberdude [2d\]: white damaged k9 severly
krakengo [1d\]: normal move for b
Spirit [?\]: well it makes sense :)
wijii [-\]: step out take some air
Mohican [3k\]: it rendered k9 pretty useless untill l7, + it gaves a liberty more
chunga [8d\]: B seems to have more territory but too early to say now
Mohican [3k\]: and it was sente as you see
krakengo [1d\]: tengen
Kashuu [1k\]: Mohican spirit is european 6d you know ;p
BAKUDAN [3d\]: b m17 is winning the game
Chievo [3k?\]: there is still mcuh room left for both
Chievo [3k?\]: but now its all about timing
Mohican [3k\]: no i didnt, just said what i thought
Uberdude [2d\]: what happened if b cut at j9?
Groningen [8k\]: thinking is permitted
USGO1 [-\]: both players have used about 30 mins each
Tower [3d\]: no its not
NerdKibitz: B is aiming to split white on bottom no?
MrShintou [-\]: b is running
Spirit [?\]: n4 k10 miai 
krakengo [1d\]: of course b will seek to counterattack
Chievo [3k?\]: not running
Ukasuhs [2k\]: if b tries to split wite on bottom he will just be letting w attack 2 groups at once
Kashuu [1k\]: i disagree, black still has plenty of space so i dont call this running
Chievo [3k?\]: forcing w to run
dss [4k\]: is this the final game?...the one who wins will be 1st place?
DrStraw [-\]: B cqn easily live with E9
Chievo [3k?\]: see mrshintou
Chievo [3k?\]: even the texans agree
JamPet [15k\]: Black already has the lead record of 5-0 for this tournament
Tower [3d\]: drstraw is from england and virginia ?
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan eyes continue to dart all around the board; he fans himself briefly
MrShintou [-\]: l6 for white
Tower [3d\]: haha i like the commentary from the transcribers
Chievo [3k?\]: I applaud the transcribers
joelw [12k\]: my guess is l6 wont be played this entire game
Chievo [3k?\]: they are performing good work
Boondoggle [8k\]: that break by w sounds like psychological warfare :P
dss [4k\]: s this the final game?...the one who wins will be 1st place USGO1? 
krakengo [1d\]: already answered
JamPet [15k\]: :D
Chievo [3k?\]: I think w is eating dinner
Soromon [1d\]: Kim can seal 1st place with a win here. Has there been a real analysis of what happens when Jiang wins?
krakengo [1d\]: b has 5-0 and will win the tournament when he wins this game
ponnuki79 [3k\]: b is already tournament winner
MCGler [2k\]: "Uberdude [2d\]: what happened if b cut at j9?" meybe atari, then push through at g5 and then j5? something alike... xD
GoDDy [20k?\]: even if he loses now ?
dss [4k\]: i didn't see an ansewr...
flatchest [1d\]: how much money does he get?
MCGler [2k\]: *maybe
JamPet [15k\]: If B loses and someone with a 4-1 record wins I guess it'll be a tie of some kind
krakengo [1d\]: mingjiu has 4-1
SMX [1d\]: lol
GoDDy [20k?\]: well, someone with a 4-1 will win :D
Chievo [3k?\]: 5-1 they call it
Chievo [3k?\]: not 4-1
krakengo [1d\]: no, i think b has a good lead
Oame [2k\]: who defeated mingjiu?
krakengo [1d\]: hard for w
krakengo [1d\]: Juyong Koh ?
bavle [-\]: this is the last round the winner of this wins us opean correct ?
septa [-\]: Kuo Yin i think
GoDDy [20k?\]: hond, seung hyun
JamPet [15k\]: Over at table 2 there are two people playing who each have a 4-1 score right now, so someone else is bound to have a 5-1 by the end of that game
USGO1 [-\]: I don't think Kim has looked away from the board once since Jiang has been away
SMX [1d\]: :O
Soromon [1d\]: If Jiang wins I think the winner would be him or Yongfei Ge.
Boondoggle [8k\]: very effective psychological warfare from the sound of it :P
krakengo [1d\]: he fears this w and is giving 100%
MCGler [2k\]: tengen next?
Soromon [1d\]: provided that Ge wins also
Kashuu [1k\]: too bad we cant look into the minds of the professionals when they are looking at the board :(
MCGler [2k\]: taking out k9 completely?
SMX [1d\]: You won't follow, kashuu
GoDDy [20k?\]: how does the macmahon system count the points ?
krakengo [1d\]: L7 has many follow-ups, hard to attack
Soromon [1d\]: Tengen is in the wrong direction - white will pressure this group until it isn't profitable anymore, then play on the right side
wijii [-\]: r10 
alienist [5k\]: I think-and this a 5k talking-w will make big gains now-maybe on right
nissim: O:
wijii [-\]: then why is w so nervous
MCGler [2k\]: white isn't, white's just gone xD (or is't he anymore?)
Soromon [1d\]: because black's stones are so much more efficient
joelw [12k\]: because w saw preview for "mirrors"
Chievo [3k?\]: I really think w is grabbing some food
Chievo [3k?\]: to fill his supply of hunger
Groningen [8k\]: the scorimator thinks the game is even
SMX [1d\]: scorminator :O
xushibagua [5k\]: h6 interesting?
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: lol
Spirit [?\]: N4 looks good for black but if white defends bK10 makes whites previous moves look silly
ponnuki79 [3k\]: @USGO: how is the atmosphere at the board?
Pinus [2k\]: H6?
Khouphrane [5d\]: tengen
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: k11
luiffy [8k\]: e7 
MCGler [2k\]: soromon doesn't like tengen, wrong direction, he sais :( *tear*
Soromon [1d\]: @USGO is Chris wearing his fedora?
luiffy [8k\]: E7
DrZoom [8k\]: pizza service just brought two pizzas.. game get paused now
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
SMX [1d\]: haha too late
USGO1 [-\]: Jiang is still out of the room, and Kim is still staring at the board
krakengo [1d\]: pizza
Pinus [2k\]: Maybe O4 now.
krakengo [1d\]: now that's a good idea
Khouphrane [5d\]: beer time ?
SMX [1d\]: Maybe Jiang is tartrate, and decided to disappear again.
Chievo [3k?\]: no no
nissim: k10? :ם
kyuboy [9k\]: nope
Chievo [3k?\]: he must be eating right now
kyuboy [9k\]: hes ming jiu:D
USGO1 [-\]: he is returning to the table now
MCGler [2k\]: yay!
SMX [1d\]: :X
Khouphrane [5d\]: with a beer ?
kyuboy [9k\]: and chow mein?
joelw [12k\]: n5 looks better than o4
]
;W[jj]C[MCGler [2k\]: YES!!!!
krakengo [1d\]: my call
MCGler [2k\]: :P
Khouphrane [5d\]: krakengo, it was the only move :)
joelw [12k\]: ten u ki plx
krakengo [1d\]: still
]
;B[jb]C[krakengo [1d\]: many proposed other moves
lubricated [5k\]: i just got a not fail computer
baitem [4k\]: b wanting cash?
krakengo [1d\]: i know, they're out of their minds
NerdKibitz: USGO--- Cho hye-yeon is there no? Why did she not play in Open? do you know? Just wondering.
krakengo [1d\]: i don't like K18
krakengo [1d\]: w has a good chance now
joelw [12k\]: is good move.  w should respond, or e15 stone might zombify
Khouphrane [5d\]: K18 underground's ove
Khouphrane [5d\]: move
SMX [1d\]: zombify =\]
krakengo [1d\]: as a rule i tenuki such moves
]
;W[ic]C[SMX [1d\]: lol
]
;B[le]C[Equitsumei [-\]: k18 or l15 only on es. .
]
;W[qc]C[Nick8a [2k\]: ulke
MCGler [2k\]: that's y you are 1 dan and not pro, then ;)
Nick8a [2k\]: as a rule*
USGO1 [-\]: with a loud clack on the board
Nick8a [2k\]: well i never deal in absolutes
SMX [1d\]: lol
Nick8a [2k\]: hahaha
]
;B[pc]C[joelw [12k\]: lol
]
;W[qd]C[joelw [12k\]: clack clack clack
Violence [?\]: White doesn't seem to have favorable consciousness
Violence [?\]: I think black will double hane here
SMX [1d\]: no
Chievo [3k?\]: another joseki battle has started
krakengo [1d\]: cannot
]
;B[qe]
;W[re]C[joelw [12k\]: b has the rly long table
]
;B[qf]
;W[rf]
;B[qg]
;W[pb]
;B[ob]
;W[qb]C[Chievo [3k?\]: where is cho hye yeon btw
Ukasuhs [2k\]: well its too bad black didnt have this wall earlier...
Soromon [1d\]: I think white is happy to have onverconcentrated black a bit here.
Psychopomp [5k?\]: I honest don't know where black should play, except that q6 area seems good
Soromon [1d\]: *over-
Violence [?\]: mmm
Violence [?\]: does black have to protect
MCGler [2k\]: it's too good white didn't invade earlier then, i suppose ;)
joelw [12k\]: k13
Violence [?\]: I think black will tenuki
Ukasuhs [2k\]: black is way too overconcentrated... his wall cant really expand much at this point
Ukasuhs [2k\]: r6
krakengo [1d\]: no
nissim: o14 look good, nope? 
Psychopomp [5k?\]: white seems ahead
MCGler [2k\]: o14 looks... slow...
Spirit [?\]: looks good for white locally this
Nick8a [2k\]: i would tenuki
Nick8a [2k\]: r6 or somethin
Korea4K [2d\]: E9
krakengo [1d\]: b cannot build there
Nick8a [2k\]: b might try to get into w top left though
Psychopomp [5k?\]: r6 could be pressed down, and leave black's center group open to attack
joelw [12k\]: b n3 would be fun :)
alienist [5k\]: lower right looming large?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu steps away from the table again
joelw [12k\]: or g2 actually
Korea4K [2d\]: e9 and d8 sente
nissim: l9 ? :o
MCGler [2k\]: what's jiang's time? xD
Korea4K [2d\]: it means cente b alive
USGO1 [-\]: returns quickly with a bottle of water
]
;B[mp]C[krakengo [1d\]: amphetamins
MCGler [2k\]: or vodka...
krakengo [1d\]: the real action now
Boondoggle [8k\]: maybe lsd
krakengo [1d\]: not R6
Violence [?\]: I doubt crystal geyser makes vodka.
nissim: :O
MCGler [2k\]: because he couldn't find any beer (that's y he took so long last time)
nissim: m3? :o
joelw [12k\]: f2 :)
xushibagua [5k\]: f2 gote
joelw [12k\]: f2 stops g2 invasion, which looks like sente to me
Psychopomp [5k?\]: white m5?
Boondoggle [8k\]: f2 is kind of like admitting defeat i think
MCGler [2k\]: almost n3 there, joel xD
Akagi316 [7k\]: f2 is not sente lol
volcanus [3k?\]: n3
joelw [12k\]: g2 sente for b
joelw [12k\]: is reason for f2
Akagi316 [7k\]: that doesn't make f2 sente
joelw [12k\]: omg
Khouphrane [5d\]: m5 dangerous
joelw [12k\]: I didn't say f2 sente :P
Akagi316 [7k\]: yeah you did
Violence [?\]: I don't think black can tolerate here.... a counterattack will come, I think
joelw [12k\]: well, I meant the g2 invasion was sente
Akagi316 [7k\]: oh you meant g2 invasion was sente
Akagi316 [7k\]: ic
kyuboy [9k\]: i think he meant g2 was sente
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
SMX [1d\]: lol
MCGler [2k\]: haha
kyuboy [9k\]: oh well :P
USGO1 [-\]: both players looking closely at the lower right area
Spirit [?\]: somehow feels a bit painful for black to have Wo18 and right side open at the top while not having made many points
Chievo [3k?\]: Im embarrassed
kyuboy [9k\]: :O u better be
manestor [7k\]: g2 is yose!
Spirit [?\]: but not quite sure how to improve on it...
kyuboy [9k\]: n3?
lubricated [5k\]: haha g2 is not yose
joelw [12k\]: not yose if w gets seperated here
krakengo [1d\]: not really yose
krakengo [1d\]: w not safe
krakengo [1d\]: at all :)
kyuboy [9k\]:  n3? XD
krakengo [1d\]: otherwise b would not N4
manestor [7k\]: black powaa!
CardCaptor [1k\]: oh
CardCaptor [1k\]: nice move
lubricated [5k\]: m5
kyuboy [9k\]: no 
krakengo [1d\]: yes, severe
kyuboy [9k\]: i dont like m5
Nick8a [2k\]: so
kyuboy [9k\]: personally
CardCaptor [1k\]: sorry, i was just reviewing the game off line
CardCaptor [1k\]: haha
]
;W[lo]C[kyuboy [9k\]: >.>
CardCaptor [1k\]: just got in
MCGler [2k\]: xDD
lubricated [5k\]: PWNED.
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
Nick8a [2k\]: n3 no good iethwe
lubricated [5k\]: OWNED U ALL
joelw [12k\]: hehe
Ukasuhs [2k\]: TROGDOR
eurogotv [-\]: where is the live tv broadcast?
kyuboy [9k\]: n6?
lubricated [5k\]: }who FREAKING CALLED THAT
kyuboy [9k\]: N6 FOOOOOLS!
manestor [7k\]: no tv broadcast :(
joelw [12k\]: looked like that one slipped by us
Denniskutl [1d\]: lol eurogotv
joelw [12k\]: get it, slipped by us?
kyuboy [9k\]: ;O
lubricated [5k\]: from your own teacher kyuboy
Spirit [?\]: Q5 now?
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Korea4K [2d\]: b must be E9 answer
lubricated [5k\]: i know him better than you apparently
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
lubricated [5k\]: haha
kyuboy [9k\]: xD
CardCaptor [1k\]: how strong is the l6 group at the moment
manestor [7k\]: yeah, us congress isn't as cool as the european one
CardCaptor [1k\]: is my question
kyuboy [9k\]: cause u are him o...O|
manestor [7k\]: europe rocks
Soromon [1d\]: n6 would give white n5...
Violence [?\]: l6 group?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: ok... all of you who think ur awesome for calling one pro move... you have to do it 200 times in a row to be a pro
kyuboy [9k\]: sooooooooo?
Violence [?\]: There's... nothing at l6?
dima [2d\]: L6 is empty, so not strong
bavle [-\]: he mean l7
CardCaptor [1k\]: 200?
CardCaptor [1k\]: maybe 150 is enough?
Psychopomp [5k?\]: heh
Ukasuhs [2k\]: w/e
Psychopomp [5k?\]: I was right :)
Violence [?\]: more like 150 max
Ukasuhs [2k\]: but 1 is nothing
MCGler [2k\]: and then u lose after move 150? great idea :P
CardCaptor [1k\]: he means getting 150 pro moves right
kyuboy [9k\]: one of my friends talk T.T
dima [2d\]: MCGler, you only need to call moves on one side
CardCaptor [1k\]: means u can finish a game professionally
kyuboy [9k\]: maybe n7?
joelw [12k\]: q3
eurogotv [-\]: Park Jong Wook won the European Go Congress, but Catalin Taranu 5p won the title of European Champion 2008
TanGeng [2d?\]: 1 move can lose the game though
krakengo [1d\]: now... Q5 ?
Spirit [?\]: I'd like to tsuki on Q4
vaxou [8k\]: and the probably already know what they will do for the 15 next stones
vaxou [8k\]: they
Korea4K [2d\]: what think b?
Chievo [3k?\]: Q3 tsuke
Psychopomp [5k?\]: Hold on, if I would m5, does that mean it's a bad move?
Chievo [3k?\]: is only move right now
Korea4K [2d\]: e9 d8 in sente
kyuboy [9k\]: hoshi
nissim: n5 ? :o
kyuboy [9k\]: n7 or hoshi
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
MCGler [2k\]: if i for 150 moves play a pro on his own level, then the game is even at that point - and then i lose in late middle game and yose...
lubricated [5k\]: um no one is acknowledging my amazingness of predicting m5
Spirit [?\]: just moving out would be a bit lame as it damages l7 group
CardCaptor [1k\]: is g11 too much
MCGler [2k\]: oh, now i see what u mean xD
MCGler [2k\]: sorry
Jump [6k\]: N2
Spirit [?\]: but lot of reading here
eurogotv [-\]: http://egc2008.eu/en/congress/scoreboard/index.php
Ukasuhs [2k\]: MCGler when they said for 150 moves what they meant was you call the moves of one player for 150 moves so it would be move 300, noy 150
Khouphrane [5d\]: k4
]
;B[mo]C[CardCaptor [1k\]: khou, can black make 2 eyes in sente there? then go and deal with n4
Violence [?\]: I think k4 would only help white...
]
;W[ln]C[Spirit [?\]: hm
krakengo [1d\]: oh a "lame" move
Meepy [-\]: what's the over-under on this game?
Spirit [?\]: :)
MCGler [2k\]: hm, i'll insert a 100 move ko fight and make it a 300 move game, then, i guess.... no, u r of course right
Chievo [3k?\]: OH NO
kyuboy [9k\]: what if they play a triple ko
joelw [12k\]: b looking unhealthy now
kyuboy [9k\]: its considered bad karma
kyuboy [9k\]: :)
Fokatukc [7k\]: end of the word
USGO1 [-\]: Jennie Shen 2p walks by to check out the game
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
MCGler [2k\]: both pros die the day after
Spirit [?\]: pushing from behind
Spirit [?\]: normall not so good
CardCaptor [1k\]: well
Ukasuhs [2k\]: what if their game turns into 20 kos
CardCaptor [1k\]: with l7
CardCaptor [1k\]: its kinda like black is ahead still
Kashuu [1k\]: my former teacher!
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Ukasuhs [2k\]: then calling the moves for 150 moves is basically telepathy
Astral [3k\]: 2 unsettled group
]
;B[lp]C[kyuboy [9k\]: :O
CardCaptor [1k\]: hmm
krakengo [1d\]: ate komi
krakengo [1d\]: nice
CardCaptor [1k\]: i like black's style
Spirit [?\]: aah
Chievo [3k?\]: woah
CardCaptor [1k\]: =0)
waaa [-\]: was it tasty?
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Spirit [?\]: ok it makes sense now :)
Chievo [3k?\]: jennie shen is another KGS celebrity
TanGeng [2d?\]: hmm
Spirit [?\]: shape problem for white
krakengo [1d\]: w poor shape
Spirit [?\]: didn't see this move :)
TanGeng [2d?\]: actually d8 won't be sente
Violence [?\]: K5?
nissim: l3 ? 
joelw [12k\]: must connect or attack, I think
Ukasuhs [2k\]: or both
Nick8a [2k\]: k5 does both
Nick8a [2k\]: ?
krakengo [1d\]: L3 tempting, but dangerous
joelw [12k\]: k5 I like
Ukasuhs [2k\]: k5 is barely attacking
Nick8a [2k\]: so
Nick8a [2k\]: more than l5
shakeme [2k\]: k5 lacks fighting spirit
Nick8a [2k\]: l6
Soromon [1d\]: k5 keeps white in one piece though
xushibagua [5k\]: why k5 lack fighting spirit?
MCGler [2k\]: white can't afford letting black destroy all his territory while gaining influence... so at some point white just can't be carefull anymore...
Meepy [-\]: m3 - for maximum spirit
Soromon [1d\]: what is fighting spirit? n6?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: after w k5 b has j4
joelw [12k\]: n3 for maximum fight
Violence [?\]: If you're extreme, you play O3 for most spirit
Fokatukc [7k\]: ??
MCGler [2k\]: l3 maybe...
deft [4d\]: no choice here
deft [4d\]: W has to connect
Nick8a [2k\]: yea
Chievo [3k?\]: w already used up half of his time
Nick8a [2k\]: but which move
deft [4d\]: but maybe he wants to make some exchange first
Thelookout [5d\]: l3
Alenchon [6k\]: different ways to connect, though
deft [4d\]: K5 looks normal
h2be [2d?\]: L6
luiffy [8k\]: L6
Nick8a [2k\]: hah
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu shakes his head slightly
joelw [12k\]: l6 k5 ?
Nick8a [2k\]: i hate the hickups
MCGler [2k\]: l6 leads to very bad shape.....
Nick8a [2k\]: whats the deal with all the 2k haters
deft [4d\]: L6 gets sente though
zxcsdf: how many pros participate in this tournament?
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan checks his opponent's time (but I was typing and didn't see it)
deft [4d\]: but L3 hurts
deft [4d\]: too much
]
;W[jo]C[joelw [12k\]: k5 absorbs some of the l3 pain
Gresil [8k\]: k5 would let white make shape after l3
Nick8a [2k\]: haha
GoDDy [20k?\]: gratz :D
Nick8a [2k\]: i was right
Ukasuhs [2k\]: i wanna see b j4
Meepy [-\]: now L6
Gay [4d\]: why would l6
Korea4K [2d\]: E9
]
;B[mm]C[Fokatukc [7k\]: l6 waste of threat
krakengo [1d\]: hehe
krakengo [1d\]: ouch
krakengo [1d\]: ok
royalty [3d\]: l6 makes empty triangle so it has to be strong
USGO1 [-\]: played almost hesitatingly
krakengo [1d\]: looks like game over
Gresil [8k\]: emptiness is form
Chievo [3k?\]: f1
joelw [12k\]: this looks dangerous
Chievo [3k?\]: f@
luiffy [8k\]: f2 
deft [4d\]: push up and cut at L8
deft [4d\]: also dangerous for B
Nick8a [2k\]: yea
Thelookout [5d\]: m7
Meepy [-\]: L6 is psychological power
Nick8a [2k\]: this seems to thin for b
]
;W[lm]
;B[ll]
;W[mn]C[vaak [5d\]: m7 l8
MCGler [2k\]: l6 is one liberty less...
]
;B[nn]C[Akagi316 [7k\]: o5
joelw [12k\]: b makes xmas tree
krakengo [1d\]: i am completely enclosed !!
Thelookout [5d\]: vaak LOL
PogoGo [6k\]: what?
outstander [4k\]: has to connect?
]
;W[ko]C[krakengo [1d\]: it's terrible !!
outstander [4k\]: why m7, that's what i want to know
Nick8a [2k\]: coulda n8
Nick8a [2k\]: but not smart to
Slug [3k\]: seems to me white is really winning a ot for a professional game ?
deft [4d\]: B has cutting points everywhere
Nick8a [2k\]: b woulda cut
krakengo [1d\]: atari is bad
Slug [3k\]: lot*
theremin [1k\]: m7 to create cutting point and have sente
joelw [12k\]: hmm...b can be cute at 5 spots now
joelw [12k\]: *cut
outstander [4k\]: is h5 kill-able?
krakengo [1d\]: w will cut somewhere anyway
outstander [4k\]: after l8 cut?
outstander [4k\]: but w's group isn't safe either...
deft [4d\]: actually it looks like B is in trouble
outstander [4k\]: p5
Nick8a [2k\]: k7 for b
Slug [3k\]: k7
DrStraw [-\]: if both are in trouble then both should live
joelw [12k\]: k7 now?
deft [4d\]: W is also a little thin around J3, so maybe some exchange can occur
joelw [12k\]: mebbe j7?
nissim: l9 ? :o
]
;B[nm]C[Nick8a [2k\]: maybe b will attack bottom or something first though
Kashuu [1k\]: wow looks very complicated now
Nick8a [2k\]: wow
]
;W[kl]C[nissim: O:
royalty [3d\]: all or nothing
outstander [4k\]: called that one...
Uberdude [2d\]: r3 to take base?
Nick8a [2k\]: taking wall on outside?
USGO1 [-\]: a hard slap 'n slide move
krakengo [1d\]: K10 glory !!
krakengo [1d\]: great fight
Soromon [1d\]: now we see what black's plan was on the left side around e8
mahatma [1k\]: Mingjiu's going for the gold
deft [4d\]: I don't really see how this can reach a peaceful conclusion
Fokatukc [7k\]: he wants it all
Gay [4d\]: is this the final?
royalty [3d\]: lots of chinese people are going for gold today
Slug [3k\]: :)
Slug [3k\]: cute
joelw [12k\]: j7?
Slug [3k\]: do they stream olympics online?
krakengo [1d\]: N4 aim was not peace
royalty [3d\]: eurosport has a stream i think
MCGler [2k\]: yes they do
Chievo [3k?\]: scared
Chievo [3k?\]: b is
krakengo [1d\]: mingjiu... is attacking me
Chievo [3k?\]: haha
Chievo [3k?\]: and rightfully so
Bierce [1d\]: e9
krakengo [1d\]: i should defend somehow
MCGler [2k\]: does black look confident or scared, USGO? :)
kurosama [2d\]: f9 ?
krakengo [1d\]: he looks about to collapse, a terrified look =p
Beanbag [3d\]: he wuldnt look scared that is for suer
royalty [3d\]: e8 maybe more probable
Kirby [2k\]: he probably looks calm
eviiL [3d\]: we need eurogotv on this one
royalty [3d\]: it's not so easy position though
zxcsdf: he looks pretty f***ed up :)
royalty [3d\]: dont swear, even with asterisks
Kirby [2k\]: they have eurogotv?
Kirby [2k\]: i wish they had usgotv
MCGler [2k\]: u guys sure do need a live stream...
eviiL [3d\]: i don't think so
beatall [5k\]: is this a pro game?
joelw [12k\]: ya
eviiL [3d\]: obviously
MCGler [2k\]: it's just way too funny to watch ;)
NeverCare [?\]: no the ps by their names stands for prostate
krakengo [1d\]: i wish i could see mingjiu slam
Slug [3k\]: i cant decide what blacks next move is, im starting to think he should play internal and just make life
deft [4d\]: it's not from a pro tournament, though
joelw [12k\]: if b dont play in j6 area, w will play j6 :(
deft [4d\]: if he can make life then he should do it
boxking [6d\]: e9 looks good, but maybe hurts top left
krakengo [1d\]: it's ok to E9
krakengo [1d\]: he has B17
Kirby [2k\]: top left is rather strong, is it not?
xushibagua [5k\]: g7 dangerous now
SpenceR [?\]: is takemiya going to play a game?
NeverCare [?\]: what a problem!
boxking [6d\]: e9 e7 perhaps
SpenceR [?\]: i want to see one between him and jie li
Violence [?\]: Jie Li isn't at Congress
Soromon [1d\]: i want to see jie li play a game without drinking caffiene
krakengo [1d\]: mmmh
USGO1 [-\]: each of the players eyes move quickly around the board
SpenceR [?\]: he didn't go last year either right?
krakengo [1d\]: mingjiu is really attacking me...
MCGler [2k\]: what does he do? xD
xushibagua [5k\]: you?
shy [-\]: kraken what are you doing
Chievo [3k?\]: good for you
Email [5k\]: ooh, this is exciting :)
Chievo [3k?\]: I hope he breaks your shoulder
deft [4d\]: doesn't look like B has time to prevent W K7
NeverCare [?\]: lol
deft [4d\]: so W connects out
Morgenes [1k\]: hm, groups living and dying and living again very fast?
Gering [?\]: what is the time situation?
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: ?k7 
NeverCare [?\]: cant you see? 120 min for each side
joelw [12k\]: e7 kinda interesting, too
MCGler [2k\]: ......................
kyuboy [9k\]: j7?
USGO1 [-\]: Kim rocks gently back and forth in his seat
Fokatukc [7k\]: b losing lost of time
Astral [3k\]: it is not minutes since it is not decreasing
krakengo [1d\]: he really is, so maybe i should defend
Gering [?\]: in the other game the match person comments on the time every now and then
Astral [3k\]: probably days
NeverCare [?\]: crackngo, please.
ppqq [9k\]: h4
MCGler [2k\]: that's just hte initial time. to know more, ask usgo
xlightx [7k\]: time left? usgo?
SMX [1d\]: tenuki!
alexanderp [8k?\]: who won yesterday? feng yun?
dima [2d\]: yup
alexanderp [8k?\]: ok, thanks
krakengo [1d\]: i'm trying to put myself in b's shoes, pardi
Slug [3k\]: same
Astral [3k\]: who is ahead in this tournament???
kyuboy [9k\]: feng yun
kyuboy [9k\]: i dunno
NeverCare [?\]: can ko in e9 area?
Fokatukc [7k\]: how much time does b have?
mouton112 [8d?\]: no matter B wins or losses, i think he will be the champion
USGO1 [-\]: black has a little more than an hour left
Beanbag [3d\]: i thot feng yun did no compete in this tornament
Slug [3k\]: e7
Thelookout [5d\]: e9
Beanbag [3d\]: myungwan undefeated so far?
dima [2d\]: you thought right
krakengo [1d\]: b undefeated until mingjiu attacked him
Vash3G [-\]: yes he is
waaa [-\]: hm is b the poker player?
Korea4K [2d\]: b e9  w e7? 
Astral [3k\]: no
Violence [?\]: You're thinking of Jimmy Cha, or Cha Minsoo
waaa [-\]: ah right :)
Slug [3k\]: i never get the time they take, he chose this path so he must have a plan, or is he making this up as he goes?
dima [2d\]: Or Janice Kim :)
Violence [?\]: Janice Kim plays Go?
Kirby [2k\]: lol
xushibagua [5k\]: hahahaha
waaa [-\]: :)
NeverCare [?\]: isnt she a poker player?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu gets up and step out of the room
Violence [?\]: s'what I thought...
NeverCare [?\]: yeah i would be bored too
waaa [-\]: usgo, why do they leave the board so often?
Slug [3k\]: its his turn nevercare
krakengo [1d\]: no, b played natural stuff and now he must read ;-()
waaa [-\]: are the chairs that bad? :D
kyuboy [9k\]: yeah
kyuboy [9k\]: they arent cushy
kyuboy [9k\]: XD
dima [2d\]: I don't think Kim left the board, did he?
kyuboy [9k\]: hes stil staring
kyuboy [9k\]: i bet
Gardener [?\]: going to read a go book ?
MCGler [2k\]: no, slug, it isn't
Fokatukc [7k\]: he escaped
Kirby [2k\]: escaper
Kirby [2k\]: lol
NeverCare [?\]: lol
zax [-\]: they leave only to go quickly see KGS kibitz on their mobile phone
MCGler [2k\]: xD
waaa [-\]: lol =)
NeverCare [?\]: haha
Slug [3k\]: isnt black kim?
Kirby [2k\]: laptops are allowed, too
MCGler [2k\]: and all the good moves we propose
Kirby [2k\]: he's taking a look at his joseki dictionary
NeverCare [?\]: yes slug *smirk*
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
MCGler [2k\]: yes, but it's not kim who left
Fokatukc [7k\]: they look at our kibitz and laugh
Astral [3k\]: using Mogotitan for sure
Gardener [?\]: is this the go olympics ?
Astral [3k\]: not yet
Kirby [2k\]: go congress
Nick8a [2k\]: hahahaha
BAKUDAN [3d\]: e9 ?
dima [2d\]: maybe we should look whether there is someone in our midst who only kibbitzes when Jiang is out of the room?
Slug [3k\]: ^^ oops
joelw [12k\]: k, I'm beginning to think e7 or g5
Kirby [2k\]: that would be me, of course
Slug [3k\]: lol dima
MCGler [2k\]: they aren't even playing good moves, they just want to be able to laugh at bad comments afterwards!!
Fokatukc [7k\]: self-kibitz
NeverCare [?\]: ooh thats clever
joelw [12k\]: or g2
BAKUDAN [3d\]: e9 lives
BAKUDAN [3d\]: i think
Niouth: can i have time left plz ?
xushibagua [5k\]: w g7 is very painful for b
flatchest [1d\]: who win?
krakengo [1d\]: w
royalty [3d\]: b
Email [5k\]: b!
Fokatukc [7k\]: w + time
boxking [6d\]: yes, e9 probably lives, question is how much damage w can make to the left or if there is something we're missing with e9
Astral [3k\]: black
flatchest [1d\]: lol
Kirby [2k\]: i think usgo1 can win if he puts his mind to it
Gardener [?\]: SE says b win
kyuboy [9k\]: :o
Fokatukc [7k\]: SE wins
Slug [3k\]: so its like... black played this route knowing that worst case scenario he can make life, but he wants probably more
Slug [3k\]: i tihnnk
krakengo [1d\]: not much damage / i refuse to read with a hangover !
Denniskutl [1d\]: e9 probably lives, question is does it really lives
Gardener [?\]: N5 looks vulnerable
waaa [-\]: karkern you have it all messed up, read the rules again at -
slinky [-\]: go mingjiu!!!!!
joelw [12k\]: e9 might make a ko
xlightx [7k\]: USGOO how much time left??????????
waaa [-\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku
krakengo [1d\]: life enought for b, since Q4 is really weak now
krakengo [1d\]: lol
krakengo [1d\]: thanks waaa
waaa [-\]: :D
kyuboy [9k\]: slinky :D
kyuboy [9k\]: *
USGO1 [-\]: one of Mingjiu's students brings a cup of tea and sets it on the table
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
flatchest [1d\]: wow
krakengo [1d\]: how cute
Singer [10k\]: Who is winning?
Kirby [2k\]: that's not just any tea.  that's super tea
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
flatchest [1d\]: its poisoned
Gresil [8k\]: don't drink, it's poisoned
kyuboy [9k\]: :OOOOO
waaa [-\]: none for the opponent, though?
proutoz0re: g10
ftw213: too late he drank it
ftw213: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: :O <> <>
Astral [3k\]: can black live in sente?
NeverCare [?\]: is mingjiu even in the room?
kirigo: vodka for the other
Gresil [8k\]: b+death
dima [2d\]: the cup will finish the game for white? (Is migjiu still away?)
Fokatukc [7k\]: w + time for the win
kyuboy [9k\]: ,i want to here *CLACK* ====<>
kyuboy [9k\]: hear*
anilkara [1d\]: h4 g3 ... he can do maybe
Gering [?\]: USGO, what is the time position?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu returns and smiles at his student across the room
NeverCare [?\]: lol
MCGler [2k\]: xD
NeverCare [?\]: i think b dies
waaa [-\]: usgo, you could've narrated hikaru :)
flatchest [1d\]: ♥
NeverCare [?\]: thats why w is soo happy
MCGler [2k\]: HE a least seems to know what's inside that cup :P
USGO1 [-\]: black time is now 55 mins
sorminator [3d\]: "look kids,that how a pro die"
xlightx [7k\]: white time? 
mpan [8k\]: =o
BAKUDAN [3d\]: pro is alive
Astral [3k\]: alive of course
Singer [10k\]: b R3?
mpan [8k\]: what's b gonna do now?
Astral [3k\]: e9 is fine
xlightx [7k\]:                                                                           WHITE TIME?
Ho [5k\]: h3 
MCGler [2k\]: hey, be polite, xlightx!
ftw213: <3
joelw [12k\]: if b tenuki, we all sit up a bit straighter in our chairs (mingjiu included)
USGO1 [-\]: well let's see... if black has about an hour, and they started this game 2 hours ago...
xlightx [7k\]: just making sure he ca see
flatchest [1d\]: b dead?
Nick8a [2k\]: USGO MIA
MCGler [2k\]: be happy, poeple are giving us games and comments!
mpan [8k\]: how much trouble is b in now?
NeverCare [?\]: MCgler is applying for an admin position
krakengo [1d\]: friends are trolling about economy downstairs
ftw213:                                                                                          is b gonna move?
Fokatukc [7k\]: b escaped
krakengo [1]
;B[hp]
;W[hq]C[jaika [1k\]: 26-29  white died 
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;B[gr]C[ikuy [1k\]: huh
MCGler [2k\]: YAY!!!
nissim: XD
mpan [8k\]: =o
flatchest [1d\]: he plays!!
MCGler [2k\]: moves are being made!
royalty [3d\]: g6?
MCGler [2k\]: now it's white's turn to think...
mof [1d?\]: why did it take so long? Did they have a break?
Gering [?\]: noone predicted that!
Kashuu [1k\]: M9?
Jabba [5k?\]: now white considers whether he is dead
flatchest [1d\]: b too strong for us
]
;W[gq]
;B[ek]C[MCGler [2k\]: someone did.
krakengo [1d\]: defense is too slow / must place stones efficiently / let's attack instead
nissim: :O
zax [-\]: someone proposed H4, but i do not remember who
Gardener [?\]: me
ikuy [1k\]: b really knows what he does :)
alienist [5k\]: b can live-but-ugly
joelw [12k\]: you mispelled butt
NeverCare [?\]: *snorts*
royalty [3d\]: dont butt in
flatchest [1d\]: this game looks good for b?
alienist [5k\]: /;~}
fly [1k\]: you calling b ugly?
nissim: d10 ? :o
dima [2d\]: you misspelled misspelled
k9k: go see the olympics!
krakengo [1d\]: no
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;W[ej]C[flatchest [1d\]: olympics boring
Gresil [8k\]: olympics are gote
krakengo [1d\]: :)
Gardener [?\]: has the opening ceremony finished yet ?
k9k: go is  boring
Heyan [3d\]: olympics rotten
krakengo [1d\]: go then
Enraiha [8k\]: lol yeah and us is leading in medals
flatchest [1d\]: ;O
Fokatukc [7k\]: yep
Gering [?\]: Gardner, apparently they lit the torch. big surprise
Heyan [3d\]: china are bullies
NeverCare [?\]: d8?
Gardener [?\]: wow
DrStraw [-\]: "us is leading"? you me "we are leading"?
krakengo [1d\]: troll started :(
Enraiha [8k\]: no
krakengo [1d\]: help !
Enraiha [8k\]: i mean US i leading
Khouphrane [5d\]: d8
k9k: jejejejej
Uberdude [2d\]: you mean USA?
Enraiha [8k\]: *is
flatchest [1d\]: united stats of india?
k9k: he meant U.S
royalty [3d\]: and we were having such great time watching black not play
Uberdude [2d\]: there are a lot of Uss
articienta [-\]: enough
NeverCare [?\]: ooh powerful
NeverCare [?\]: gave me shivers
joelw [12k\]: f9
royalty [3d\]: i do wonder if white could have played g6 before g3
Jabba [5k?\]: does d8 kill c7 group?
k9k: black is going to the bathroom all the time, this explaing the delay
Gardener [?\]: D8
Sapience [9k\]: d8
clean [2d\]: what game is this?
Jabba [5k?\]: checkers
MCGler [2k\]: no, d8 can kill e8
flatchest [1d\]: go lololll
deft [4d\]: connect
deft [4d\]: otherwise W doesn't have to protect D10 cut
deft [4d\]: so connecting is the only move
kirigo: agrre whith you
USGO1 [-\]: The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org Time limits are 2 hours basic time, 5 periods of 30 seconds byo yomi. The weeklong annual U.S. Go Congress is the biggest event on the North American calendar and features a number of tournaments – including the U.S. Open and North American Ing Masters (NAIM) – as well as lectures and simuls with more than a dozen professionals from the United States, Japan, China and Korea.
k9k: I agree too, but he can't play when he is in the bathroom
flatchest [1d\]: i agree with what chunga is thinking
MCGler [2k\]: he can save d8 for l8er ;)
clean [2d\]: is this still Ing masters?
chunga [8d\]: I am thinking about E7
fly [1k\]: Is the lower w group alive? If b saves l7, who wins the semiai?
flatchest [1d\]: yes me too
Gardener [?\]: and me now
chunga [8d\]: but not sure if it is good
Heyan [3d\]: D8 threatens one-sided ko, and if W backs down, B gets a better shape than connecting at F9
NeverCare [?\]: HAHAHA flatchest, what a user Id!!!
joelw [12k\]: it's descriptive of the shape
k9k: chunga reads the non-sense we write here, this is interesting
joelw [12k\]: perfect for go player
deft [4d\]: B can give up the D12 stones
Gering [?\]: why e7. what are the advantages?
deft [4d\]: f9 e7 
NeverCare [?\]: living shape
deft [4d\]: then D10 ... you have to read
deft [4d\]: who gets killed first
joelw [12k\]: f9 e7 f7
alienist [5k\]: b just connect-w lib shortage?
joelw [12k\]: actually, nm
joelw [12k\]: that not good
mouton112 [8d?\]: what about D8?
k9k: this's really boring, I'll go see the olympics, bye
waaa [-\]: deft then f6
deft [4d\]: if you play like that you get killed, joelw
joelw [12k\]: ya :)
joelw [12k\]: I dont play that way, I just testing u
deft [4d\]: then D8
USGO1 [-\]: Jiang stares of into the distance for a bit; Kim's eye have never left the board since he sat down at the start of the game
deft [4d\]: waa
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;B[dl]C[Jabba [5k?\]: woot
NeverCare [?\]: hiyo
]
;W[fk]C[Violence [?\]: ko?
]
;B[cl]C[nissim: ::O
NeverCare [?\]: <--- was the first to say d8
waaa [-\]: right i got confuesd for a second
k9k: congrats nevercare
regatta: usgo, has anybody's ears turned red?
NeverCare [?\]: *beams* thanks
NeverCare [?\]: lol regatta
deft [4d\]: B prefers to play ko so W doesn't get to live completely with the lower side stones
deft [4d\]: that way he still has a chance in the whole game
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;W[ck]
;B[bl]
;W[bk]
;B[dm]C[deft [4d\]: surprise
]
;W[lk]
;B[ml]C[Soromon [1d\]: q4 so lonely now
alienist [5k\]: w passive?
USGO1 [-\]: Kim lefts the table
USGO1 [-\]: *leaves
Violence [?\]: White can take tenuki, I think to help his lower right
ikuy [1k\]: :>
fly [1k\]: k7 to live now?
mouton112 [8d?\]: P3
flatchest [1d\]: i think its alive
MilanMilan [9d\]: p3
fly [1k\]: um... where are the eyes?
NeverCare [?\]: j6
fly [1k\]: if b J6, how does w live?
xushibagua [5k\]: f2
k9k: 448 bored people
ikuy [1k\]: do pros play blitz ever?
Uberdude [2d\]: yes
ikuy [1k\]: really?
flatchest [1d\]: i think w can live
Uberdude [2d\]: yes
flatchest [1d\]: tenuki
Firebolt [5k\]: standard procedur on korean tv afaik
DrStraw [-\]: this is almost blitz for pros - only 2 hours per person
xushibagua [5k\]: f2 f1 h2 whatever j4
flatchest [1d\]: lol no
joelw [12k\]: b12 leads to interesting variations
Akagi316 [7k\]: R6
Soromon [1d\]: btw @Gering: I called h4 and g2
ikuy [1k\]: is there any blitz tounaments for pros?
Uberdude [2d\]: yes
Gresil [8k\]: should white just k7?
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan returns; Mingjiu is still thinking
Akagi316 [7k\]: strengthening corner is bigger i think
Uberdude [2d\]: e.g agon cup
ikuy [1k\]: korean players wins those tournaments uberdude?
deft [4d\]: B is happy if W has to connect on dame with L7
idan100 [2k\]: is this online game?
deft [4d\]: *K7
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;W[jm]C[Kellesto [7k\]: where can i look all usgo games ?
vg674 [14k\]: I think k7 gets both eyes
fly [1k\]: hee hee
ikuy [1k\]: there it is
Gresil [8k\]: b happy <3
joelw [12k\]: tenuki
Jabba [5k?\]: game played live at us go congress.  simulcast on kgs
Akagi316 [7k\]: attack corner now
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu is now asking Myungwan to break for lunch
MCGler [2k\]: the problem is, that if white strengthens the corner and black reduces from the left side, then at some point, white won't live unconditionally anymore, i think
deft [4d\]: now B will attack Q4 stone
dutch2dan [2d\]: r6?
MCGler [2k\]: alright
Bierce [1d\]: now g can attack q4
royalty [3d\]: c16 area might need defending but not sure..
MCGler [2k\]: this way that doesn't matter of course xD
Kellesto [7k\]: i mean the older ones usgo games
Bierce [1d\]: i think this i good for b
Firebolt [5k\]: this is played on the us west coast, then?
fly [1k\]: Portland, OR
royalty [3d\]: black c16 probably
Jabba [5k?\]: yes,  in portland, oregon, usa
mouton112 [8d?\]: R6
ikuy [1k\]: why not c18?
Denniskutl [1d\]: b is thinking about the lunch offer
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan is still thinking for his sealed move
Over9k [4k\]: lol
Gardener [?\]: reding the menu
flatchest [1d\]: no lunch break plz
Gardener [?\]: reading
idan100 [2k\]:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     i can play faster :)
joelw [12k\]: r6 and s13 make for big side
waaa [-\]: i wonder if k7 had something to do with the sealing of the move...
USGO1 [-\]: play will resume at <gmt>2008-08-09 19:30</gmt>
flatchest [1d\]: ;(
MCGler [2k\]: how long does that make the break?
dima [2d\]: thx usgo1 see you then
Firebolt [5k\]: 45 min
goodday: offers made by mingjiu jiang that can't be refused: 100%
waaa [-\]: 45mins?
MCGler [2k\]: thx
Kashuu [1k\]: white has the advantage right??????????
KGSPlus [-\]: Board 1 will resume at <gmt>2008-08-09 19:30</gmt>
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan Kim has returned to the table; still waiting on Mingjiu Jiang
USGO1 [-\]: the players are here
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;B[pq]C[USGO1 [-\]: the sealed move revealed
Yoseki [3k\]: W deosn't seem to have much of anything
MrShintou [-\]: its cute that the USGO does a sealed move for a 4hr game =D
DrStraw [-\]: why - there is a break
Yoseki [3k\]: "let's pay like the big boys"
MrShintou [-\]: i can think of many tournaments where you play longer games with breaks and there is no sealed move :)
Yoseki [3k\]: *Play
MCGler [2k\]: and if there wasn't, the poor pros would starve to death
Gaunt [10k?\]: because they wanted food!
setake [10k\]: and time
Gaunt [10k?\]: and that
Kita [3k\]: what's the sealed move
MrShintou [-\]: q3
Kita [3k\]: sorry, what does 'sealed move 'mean?
jcny [15k\]: ever watch the anime?
xushibagua [5k\]: black had to make a move before the break
Batavia [5k\]: it means you have to write down your next move but don't play it yet
Kita [3k\]: oh i see
ChoMama [-\]: move decided but not played before adjourning
xushibagua [5k\]: but to prevent white from getting extra time to thnk about his response
MrShintou [-\]: they seal a move before the break so they can't think about it for an hr before they start again.
Bonklers [1k\]: one guy puts his next move in a sealed envelope. they go eat. they comeback and the move is revealed, its the next guys turn
xushibagua [5k\]: they 'seal' the move until after the break
MrShintou [-\]: wow a lot of experts here.
fairgo1 [9k\]: lol
Astral [3k\]: to avoid reflexion during lunch
Kita [3k\]: thanks to everyone =>
jcny [15k\]: it does not need a lot of knowledge to know sealed moves
Batavia [5k\]: seems fair (as far as there is any advantage to think during the break)
jcny [15k\]: juz think about what is sealed and what is move...
Niouth: when it is lunch time no need think about go just eat eat eat :)
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;W[oq]C[setake [10k\]: im sure patterns are swirling in their head
setake [10k\]: ss
setake [10k\]: and moves
highhand [5k\]: is there a separate analysis of this game? where?
dima [2d\]: there isn't AFAIK
carpenter [6k\]: in chess they had abandonded the sealed move long ago
setake [10k\]: y?
mlnmiles [1d\]: why?
MrShintou [-\]: because it makes very little difference.
USGO1 [-\]: when play resumed, white had 44 mins, and black 33 mins remaining
Niouth: normal
Niouth: a good move is always a good move :)
setake [10k\]: it can change
Cyphis [4k\]: You've got that right.
]
;B[qq]C[Yoseki [3k\]: P5
zflyhorse [2k\]: p4
Violence [?\]: O4?
Cassis0 [3d\]: why w did not r3? more logic? 
setake [10k\]: yeah
setake [10k\]: it looks better at least
setake [10k\]: this looks choppy
mlnmiles [1d\]: Cassio, maybe he
salvor7 [1k\]: white want to split up I wouold think
waaa [-\]: ahh p3 did look so much better without q3....
mlnmiles [1d\]: is aiming for o5
zflyhorse [2k\]: o5 is hot  point
mlnmiles [1d\]: p5 seems to be reasonable
kirigo: je suis la petite fille de Kirigo !!!!!
Astral [3k\]: p4 is fine
Niouth: if B ignores W will stress a lot :)
mlnmiles [1d\]: haha:)
nickwild [3k\]: p5 then p2 
]
;W[np]C[Violence [?\]: sweet, my move.
Email [5k\]: ooooooooh!!!!!
Email [5k\]: excellent move
kyuboy [9k\]: violence is 1p O_O
kyuboy [9k\]: XD
Iceborg [6k\]: I have no idea how to figure out this move
GocchiSama [2k\]: why not O5
XY0908 [-\]: O2
nickwild [3k\]: o5  where are w eyes?
Yoseki [3k\]: should connect
Email [5k\]: :)
Iceborg [6k\]: o5 bad, easy read
Miria [1d\]: n3?
Violence [?\]: if n3
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: o5
Yoseki [3k\]: no easy to read out hte corner
Violence [?\]: n3 p2 r4 o5 
Cassis0 [3d\]: o5 r4 s4 s5 s3 r6 q2 maybe
Yoseki [3k\]: maybe R4?
Miria [1d\]: heavy for black
Miria [1d\]: just o5
USGO1 [-\]: Kim pushes his chair back a bit, straightens his back and sits on the very edge of his seat
Yoseki [3k\]: heavy with O5 anyway
setake [10k\]: uhoh
]
;B[qo]C[setake [10k\]: hes getting nervous
Iceborg [6k\]: wow
Yoseki [3k\]: this is for the 1st place?
Violence [?\]: cut that...
Miria [1d\]: o5?
Violence [?\]: wait..
Casfion [8k?\]: Q6?
kyuboy [9k\]: n3 first?
Violence [?\]: n3 first?
kyuboy [9k\]: yeah
Yoseki [3k\]: B just take side, sac 3 stones
]
;W[po]
;B[qn]C[kyuboy [9k\]: :O
]
;W[pn]C[fly [1k\]: w goes for the throat
Yoseki [3k\]: mama told you pushing is bad?
MrShintou [-\]: white just taking sente moves.
Yoseki [3k\]: R7 needed?
MrShintou [-\]: yes
Miria [1d\]: or he could do damage on r3 i guess
USGO1 [-\]: I can hear Kim quietly muttering something to himself under his breath
kyuboy [9k\]: O:
kyuboy [9k\]: what is he saying
Miria [1d\]: haha
Toge [5k\]: He's casting a spell.
Yoseki [3k\]: cussing in Korean
ennuistic [1k\]: are current results for the congress posted anywhere?
setake [10k\]: tell us
Casfion [8k?\]: "lets take this out back" XD
Groningen [8k\]: does he speak english ?
Miria [1d\]: he's making a deal with mingjiu i bet
Hylebos [3k\]: He is probably saying something along the lines of "Too risky precious, its too risky, gollum..."
USGO1 [-\]: I sure it would be in Korean, even if I could hear it clearly
setake [10k\]: put a mic to his mouth and transmit please
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
kyuboy [9k\]: ffs record it
daXvinci [2k\]: maybe o5 bigger?
unknowmplr [-\]: he is saying: you $%@#, @#$%#^$ %@
kyuboy [9k\]: i have korean right beside me
Alenchon [6k\]: ennu -- see AGA web site for US Open
kyuboy [9k\]: lol 
USGO1 [-\]: he is tapping his fingers on the table
Niouth: remind the first place cach price :)
Miria [1d\]: "ill pay you 10won if you leave me alone"
Hylebos [3k\]: Must be morse code.
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;B[qp]C[ennuistic [1k\]: so, no results posted anywhere?
kyuboy [9k\]: n3
tkdking [18k\]: 1 cent?
Violence [?\]: you realize, 10 won is ridiculously small
tkdking [18k\]: ya
kyuboy [9k\]: q7
Miria [1d\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: For latest Congress tourney info, click on http://usgo.org/congress/2008/  Round-by-Round pairings, running crosstabs and more!
ScarTissue [1k\]: what is the price?
Miria [1d\]: im just joking ofcours :)
ennuistic [1k\]: thx
Hylebos [3k\]: What?  Jokes aren't allowed in kibitz.  This is serious stuff.
Astral [3k\]: nice result for black
kyuboy [9k\]: tt9!!!
kyuboy [9k\]: r9
kyuboy [9k\]: MWAHAHA
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu breathes in deeply and shakes his head a little
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
kyuboy [9k\]: is he scared?
Miria [1d\]: o5 = sente
Miria [1d\]: q7
MrShintou [-\]: how deep was his breath>?
kyuboy [9k\]: yeah
Miria [1d\]: then white gotta sente again 
nickwild [3k\]: w still has alot of cash L upper side
kyuboy [9k\]: nest to move out though
Astral [3k\]: O5 then q7
Iceborg [6k\]: q8 
ewtgesg: You should write a novel, USGO1.
mahatma [1k\]: timeleft
Miria [1d\]: but if white q7 here.. 
Yoseki [3k\]: usgo.org/congress/2008/
Miria [1d\]: then o6 be in alot of pressure
robertm [2d\]: upper left is not that much
Miria [1d\]: o5 miai for white
USGO1 [-\]: he begins to look over all the areas of the board
mahatma [1k\]: mingjiu's still hungry from lunch
Jugofotze: efcgcgcfg
Jugofotze: f
Jugofotze: g
Jugofotze: cg
Jugofotze: cfg
Jugofotze: c
Jugofotze: gfg
Jugofotze: c
Jugofotze: gfg
Jugofotze: cf
Jugofotze: g
Jugofotze: cfg
Jugofotze: fcg
Jugofotze: cfg
Jugofotze: cf
Jugofotze: gcf
Jugofotze: gcf
Jugofotze: gcf
Jugofotze: g
Jugofotze: cfg
Jugofotze: cfg
Jugofotze: cfg
Jugofotze: cfgf
Jugofotze: cg
Jugofotze: fcg
kyuboy [9k\]: wtf1?!!!
Jugofotze: cfg
Jugofotze: fg
Jugofotze: fg
Jugofotze: cf
Jugofotze: gc
Miria [1d\]: banned. lol
BAKUDAN [3d\]: jkkj
Jugofotze: fgcf
Jugofotze: g
Jugofotze: cfg
Jugofotze: fc
Jugofotze: gcgf
setake [10k\]: what a loser
Jugofotze: g
Jugofotze: cg
Jugofotze: gf
Jugofotze: cf
Jugofotze: gf
Jugofotze: gc
Jugofotze: fg
Jugofotze: fg
Jugofotze: fcg
Jugofotze: fgf
mahatma [1k\]: COOL DUDE
kyuboy [9k\]: OMFG
mahatma [1k\]: YOUR AWESOME
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;W[no]C[Hylebos [3k\]: Guys, calm down.
Hylebos [3k\]: Back to the game.
Javaness [-\]: pwnd
]
;B[pm]C[MrShintou [-\]: <3 java
kyuboy [9k\]: :o
Yoseki [3k\]: somebody blon a fuse :+}
Casfion [8k?\]: black loses XD
articienta [-\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: xd
Miria [1d\]: n3?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: w wins
mahatma [1k\]: lol java owned
setake [10k\]: i thnk black came out better...
ennuistic [1k\]: unbelievably large.
robertm [2d\]: NOT NOT YOU TOO JAVA,  seeking so low as to use pwned
setake [10k\]: he got huge influence for right mid
Hylebos [3k\]: n9?
ennuistic [1k\]: white gains 20+ pts
Yoseki [3k\]: robert pwnd too
setake [10k\]: hey... anyone ever think that they should make gs mobile?
setake [10k\]: like to play on your cell?
MrShintou [-\]: l14 i asume?
setake [10k\]: kgs
Hylebos [3k\]: Setake, phones don't like java.
setake [10k\]: a lot of phones use java
Groningen [8k\]: q7 sente ?
Cassis0 [3d\]: w p2? 
xushibagua [5k\]: s13?
Miria [1d\]: .. lol hylebos?
BAKUDAN [3d\]: phones love java
DrStraw [-\]: W may have gain 20 pts below but he lost more in the corner
setake [10k\]: yeah
gepay [2k\]: but b q7 is a point he very much wanted
NrlyNormal [4k\]: this isn't a chat room...
Hylebos [3k\]: Okay, I know nothing.
Uberdude [2d\]: s13 
Hylebos [3k\]: Don't listen to me.
kyuboy [9k\]: YEAH IT IS :d
Cassis0 [3d\]: s13 semmes very big
setake [10k\]: someone should adapt it
setake [10k\]: i would pay them
Miria [1d\]: xianqi exist on cellphone
setake [10k\]: whats that?
BAKUDAN [3d\]: 99% of cellphones use java technology
dima [2d\]: setake, you can play IGS on cell, and standard phones do not use Java SE
kyuboy [9k\]: thats true
ennuistic [1k\]: s13 is small
setake [10k\]: where do i get the app?
Uberdude [2d\]: s13 is huge
NrlyNormal [4k\]: keep the comments to the game please
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu is looking closely at the top side of the board now; occasionily looking around at the other areas too
xushibagua [5k\]: maybe p6 first?
ennuistic [1k\]: n9 is bigger.
Miria [1d\]: w q9 looks big
Uberdude [2d\]: m15 makes n9 smaller
ennuistic [1k\]: s13 for black is gote.
MrShintou [-\]: l14 is his next move
Uberdude [2d\]: b can get in middle form two places
ennuistic [1k\]: if white, should s12
Miria [1d\]: white q9 = cut attempt r7
ketchup [6k\]: n13 ftw muahaha
Uberdude [2d\]: it is white move
Uberdude [2d\]: so s13
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;W[kf]C[MrShintou [-\]: winner.
xushibagua [5k\]: ah
Astral [3k\]: winner?
Miria [1d\]: nice one shintou lol
MrShintou [-\]: I am all that is man.
mephisto [6k?\]: nice dave
USGO1 [-\]: with a firm clack on the board
Yoseki [3k\]: show violence who's da man
Rocker [4d\]: w victory is very much certain
MrShintou [-\]: did someone just usemy name?? msg me?
Soromon [1k\]: bad aji at n4
waaa [-\]: soromon, you mean for ko threats?
Miria [1d\]: n4 is dead 
Soromon [1k\]: very dead
Soromon [1k\]: but bad aji
Astral [3k\]: that's why it is aji^^
daXvinci [2k\]: m14
waaa [-\]: miria, did you read the manga or watch the anime?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu leans back in his chair and fans himself for a bit
Miria [1d\]: anime
Miria [1d\]: dont have time to read
BAKUDAN [3d\]: manga is better
waaa [-\]: i see the anime too =)
BAKUDAN [3d\]: 100 times better
Miria [1d\]: seeing is believing
PowRanger [9k?\]: Reading is faster tho :O
waaa [-\]: yes but from what i gather it's a little different so i'd need to read back, right?
tkdking [18k\]: i love both, though anime strays off of manga abit
Oloril [4k\]: I watch the manga and read the anime
Miria [1d\]: the anime consist of 5gig
tkdking [18k\]: ya
waaa [-\]: yes kinda a problem >_<
NrlyNormal [4k\]: c'mon..take the chat elswhere
nickwild [3k\]: o18 clamp stiil there
Miria [1d\]: yep
Miria [1d\]: p15 is huge if black doesnt respond 
BAKUDAN [3d\]: yes, manga is a little different
BAKUDAN [3d\]: but manga is way better
tkdking [18k\]: clamps are sente?
MrShintou [-\]: wow this says USGO 2008 US Open not Manga Conversation Lounge.
Miria [1d\]: o15 is gigantic with o17 follow up
tkdking [18k\]: i dont know much
BAKUDAN [3d\]: i dont care what this says
Rocker [4d\]: hi rarely normal
ennuistic [1k\]: white 30 pts in center.
Hilarius [3k?\]: what anime or manga were you talking about? 0_o
Hylebos [3k\]: Just because a clamp is sente doesn't mean that it should be played =)
Ag [6k\]: w territory-top middle-secure?
Miria [1d\]: yes
tkdking [18k\]: ok
Casfion [8k?\]: h13 XD
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu flips open and shut his fan a couple of times; leans in for a closer look at the lower right corner area
Miria [1d\]: m14 now i think
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan continues to rock gently on the edga of his seat
Casfion [8k?\]: I agree m14 looks good
Yoseki [3k\]: Mingjiu thinks what to buy with the prize money
Casfion [8k?\]: XD
PowRanger [9k?\]: ^^
dima [2d\]: From what I understood, USGO1 is writing a manga based on this game. Called `Beyond first kyu'
MCGler [2k\]: try SE right now! very inspiring way of counting!! xD
Miria [1d\]: i wonder if one of them intend to fall from the chair and ruin the game
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;B[ib]C[daXvinci [2k\]: huuh
PowRanger [9k?\]: That is a great technique Miria, "Oh im so sorry, not used to sitting in Seiza"
Ag [6k\]: nah recorded
]
;W[hb]C[daXvinci [2k\]: this move i would never maked
Yoseki [3k\]: I wonder if they could use rosary (it could be seen as a counting device)
PowRanger [9k?\]: ^^
USGO1 [-\]: a loud clack
daXvinci [2k\]: looks small Oo
Gotarist [12k\]: why are these clocks not moving?
Miria [1d\]: its looks small but big sente
MrShintou [-\]: hmm
MrShintou [-\]: it might be more than that.
HamatoYosh [-\]: pros can stop time
Yoseki [3k\]: sente?
Gotarist [12k\]: -_-
Miria [1d\]: you mean g18?
Gotarist [12k\]: Of course
MrShintou [-\]: k15 for black.
MrShintou [-\]: is coming up.
daXvinci [2k\]: what happens if w tenuki?
Ag [6k\]: b playing end game or setting up attack?
Yoseki [3k\]: dont get so cocky Shintou
daXvinci [2k\]: maybe m14?
Miria [1d\]: shintou is aga 8d 
Miria [1d\]: :D
Rocker [4d\]: k17
Yoseki [3k\]: aga rating is weak :9
Miria [1d\]: 8d is still high
Hylebos [3k\]: Gotaris, time doesn't work in demos.
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu reaches for his bottle of water, but changes his mind, putting his head in his hand to study the board some more instead
Niouth: k15 looks like desperate
Niouth: ^^
shanku [4k\]: how much time each person have?
ennuistic [1k\]: k15 fails at this moment.
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;B[lf]C[MrShintou [-\]: it doesn't if white hanes
]
;W[kg]C[ennuistic [1k\]: possibly later
Yoseki [3k\]: nveer
daXvinci [2k\]: n9
MrShintou [-\]: i think J18 made it so white couldn't hane.
Miria [1d\]: k15 still look big
Gotarist [12k\]: is this game being played somewhere in the real world
Groningen [8k\]: white seems to be leading
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;B[rg]C[Gotarist [12k\]: ?
Yoseki [3k\]: sure in Portland
Miria [1d\]: k15 l15 h17
Gotarist [12k\]: huh
mouton112 [8d?\]: o10
perfessor [?\]: in the matrix
Rocker [4d\]: D10
Yoseki [3k\]: usgo.org/congress/2008/
MrShintou [-\]: p11 i think is the deepest.
Rocker [4d\]: N12?
USGO1 [-\]: The Open is being held at the US Go Congress and features one of the strongest fields in North America. The games are being broadcast by the American Go E-Journal; free go news from around the world, delivered free via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
nickwild [3k\]: n11?
Yoseki [3k\]: will the Takemiya comments appear in American Go Journal?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: if b h17 w h16
Soromon [1k\]: n12?
Yoseki [3k\]: it says there Takemiya commented on yesterday title game
MrShintou [-\]: p11 kapow
Hylebos [3k\]: Is the takemiya dance going to end up on youtube?
HamatoYosh [-\]: i hope so
dima [2d\]: yoseki, you know the comments are saved at USGO15 info, right?
katori15 [4k\]: Yoseki look at usgo15 account
Uberdude [2d\]: i think w should have pushed here
Hilarius [3k?\]: hmm...
Tobamf [2d?\]: what KGS account did the replay of the bot vs the pro at the Go Congress?
Yoseki [3k\]: I missed yesterday. He went on KGS?
Hilarius [3k?\]: this game is amazing
Oloril [4k\]: they typed all his comments there
Hylebos [3k\]: Yoseki, he gave the lecture in the cafeteria, and it was translated by a dude and then transcribed onto KGS.
Yoseki [3k\]: cool o.O
Hylebos [3k\]: And he danced.
Oloril [4k\]: not in the cafeteria yesterday, in the ballroom
Soromon [1k\]: I heard it was lively.
Hylebos [3k\]: Blah, whatever.
BlackSmurf [2k\]: the accoucnt was myungwan i think tobamf
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;W[mh]C[Tobamf [2d?\]: thanks BS
BlackSmurf [2k\]: np
alienist [5k\]: what happend in game with bot?
USGO1 [-\]: another loud clack
Tobamf [2d?\]: bot won against a pro!!!!
MrShintou [-\]: mingjiu fear tactic
shanku [4k\]: wasn't it like 12 handi?
Gotarist [12k\]: with a nine stone handicap
alienist [5k\]: really!!
Tobamf [2d?\]: yeah
BlackSmurf [2k\]: at 9h tobamf
Yoseki [3k\]: Shintou pwnd
Pinus [2k\]: I guess white counted he is ahead.
krakengo [1d\]: go mingjiuuuuuuuuu
Rocker [4d\]: I have sense of pros touch
Tobamf [2d?\]: still amazing result, BS
Pinus [2k\]: So he plays normal moves.
MrShintou [-\]: my problem w/ guessing pro moves is that i think so much deeper ><
Tobamf [2d?\]: awesome game, this one
krakengo [1d\]: w did great
Jenghis [2k\]: If Mingjiu wins does he win the tourney?
Casfion [8k?\]: "if"
BAKUDAN [3d\]: c18 
Beanbag [3d\]: no
USGO1 [-\]: Kim taps his fingers lightly on the table in front of him
Yoseki [3k\]: what were the lowest seeds at the tourney, like 20l?
Beanbag [3d\]: sounds like b win most likely regardless
Yoseki [3k\]: 20K*
kimball [4d\]: i wonder what the correct yose is around n4
alienist [5k\]: can bot game be reviewed?
Tobamf [2d?\]: whos ahead this game?
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;B[mr]C[kimball [4d\]: aha
Tobamf [2d?\]: I'd like to see the bot game
krakengo [1d\]: aaah more fun
Miria [1d\]: ?
Cz [-\]: what the smokes is this
Ukasuhs [2k\]: n3
tukan [3k\]: hmm
Miria [1d\]: n3
Yoseki [3k\]: answered
Beanbag [3d\]: i mean the whole tornament
tukan [3k\]: nice
Ukasuhs [2k\]: n3 ladder
ennuistic [1k\]: for p2 to connect out.
Hilarius [3k?\]: woo desperation, I like the smell of it
Uberdude [2d\]: n3 p2 
MrShintou [-\]: m13 m12 l12 k12 h17 g17 h16 g18 k15 l15 j16 and black gets into whites moyo?
Miria [1d\]: or he makes p2
Casfion [8k?\]: wow
krakengo [1d\]: this is big endgame
Yoseki [3k\]: this just to get sente right?
Groningen [8k\]: eh, semedori ?
Casfion [8k?\]: that is beautiful!
Miria [1d\]: looks like overplay
Hilarius [3k?\]: this just does nothing
Miria [1d\]: n3  p2 o3
ziman [2k\]: people dont know what they are talking about
Rocker [4d\]: o2
alienist [5k\]: b must he's behind
Hilarius [3k?\]: oh hmm... it does do that
thejurist [4k\]: "Hilarius [3k?\]: this just does nothing" 
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu sighs
Tobamf [2d?\]: hehehe
Tobamf [2d?\]: cool
Miria [1d\]: o2 will result in huge semedori no?
MrShintou [-\]: someone join my clone i have a question to see if this works
Miria [1d\]: maybe m2? :)
tukan [3k\]: o2
tukan [3k\]: will be played?
HamatoYosh [-\]: a sad sigh or a this is pathetic sigh?
alienist [5k\]: or looking for KO
Hilarius [3k?\]: N3 will be played now
Hilarius [3k?\]: :P
Elfwood [2k\]: endgame move?
royalty [3d\]: well, could play n3 but loses points..
USGO1 [-\]: both players nerviously flip open and shut their fans
ziman [2k\]: fans?
krakengo [1d\]: poor fans
Blockdude [3k\]: yup
tukan [3k\]: haha ;))
xushibagua [5k\]: o2
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: n3 m3 m2 p2 
robertm [2d\]: and we all know how painful that can be
ziman [2k\]: i need a fan
Groningen [8k\]: who has the most colorfull fan ?
Blockdude [3k\]: we try to keep it as real as possible
Niouth: ^^^
krakengo [1d\]: b will P2
unknowmplr [-\]: fans, pls shut
Blockdude [3k\]: lol no, white will do that
jack123 [1d\]: ms
ziman [2k\]: b will o2 actually
jack123 [1d\]: m3
ziman [2k\]: w will i mean
Groningen [8k\]: or are the fans also black and white ?
Rocker [4d\]: n2 is just a technique of yose 
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;W[lr]C[BlackSmurf [2k\]: look at your room list tobamf
setake [10k\]: the fans are go boards
krakengo [1d\]: of course 
setake [10k\]: a solid peice of wood
setake [10k\]: you just wave in front of your face
ziman [2k\]: b o2
ziman [2k\]: nm
Hylebos [3k\]: Fans hold palm leaves and... well... fan the players.
]
;B[or]C[ziman [2k\]: lol
]
;W[nr]C[krakengo [1d\]: ...
]
;B[ns]
;W[nq]C[setake [10k\]: white got it
krakengo [1d\]: ko
Astral [3k\]: sente for black
Blockdude [3k\]: ko?
ziman [2k\]: b can p5
]
;B[pr]C[krakengo [1d\]: no
]
;W[mq]C[setake [10k\]: no
krakengo [1d\]: no ko
krakengo [1d\]: my hallu
Morgenes [1k\]: i guess b tenuki
Ukasuhs [2k\]: c18 now?
kilshii [1d\]: i'm sure that black will tenuki
]
;B[kk]C[Blockdude [3k\]: yeah, nothing big anymroe
krakengo [1d\]: ?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: l10...
]
;W[kj]C[poukram [1d\]: ^^'
Morgenes [1k\]: hae?
Morgenes [1k\]: pro move XD
Wagner [1d?\]: lol
Ukasuhs [2k\]: ok i hope w wins +0.5 now
xushibagua [5k\]: b aiming to cut off n12
Blockdude [3k\]: lol
Ukasuhs [2k\]: cause black just gave a free point
idan100 [2k\]: p11 
USGO1 [-\]: Kim cocks his head slightly as Jiang plays
MCGler [2k\]: and made white stronger....
Groningen [8k\]: was that a misclick ?
alienist [5k\]: pro defense sure looks different than us lowly kyu players/;~}
krakengo [1d\]: there must be good reason
Yoseki [3k\]: to get N9?
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;B[sf]C[moiiiiiiii [2d\]: missclick on real goban?
blackrain [6k\]: p7 protection
Hylebos [3k\]: Alienist, thats because kyu defence is an oxymoron.
Soromon [1k\]: Maybe increases the value of n9 for later so white will be more likely to respond.
Astral [3k\]: he guys the moves you don't understand are not mistakes^^
MCGler [2k\]: could've played n9 directly with beter result
kilshii [1d\]: usgo1 just sayed that kim made a mistake
krakengo [1d\]: did he ?
]
;W[sd]C[MCGler [2k\]: +t
USGO1 [-\]: no I didn't
krakengo [1d\]: ^^
alienist [5k\]: no kyu skill oxymoron
krakengo [1d\]: lol
Yoseki [3k\]: hey no berating other kibitzeers
]
;B[ni]C[Blockdude [3k\]: you can get beheaded for that
]
;W[nh]C[ennuistic [1k\]: forced to shoulder hit a reducing stone.
]
;B[oi]C[Yoseki [3k\]: so this is the reason for L9?
ennuistic [1k\]: hurts.
]
;W[mk]
;B[nk]
;W[on]
;B[om]C[blackrain [6k\]: haha
nickwild [3k\]: o18
luiffy [8k\]: ^^
fly [1k\]: b comfortably ahead?
Rocker [4d\]: O18
blackrain [6k\]: w better be fierce here
Morgenes [1k\]: don't rely on se 2 much fly ;-)
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: n1
Yoseki [3k\]: fierce.... 
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: n16
Seemaus [9d?\]: b lead by alot now
Sotham [1d?\]: g18 working too.
fly [1k\]: Morgenes: heh, i didn't even use the se
ziman [2k\]: fierce ej....
ziman [2k\]: eh
Zyphe [9k\]: dont need se to see black is ahead here
Pinus [2k\]: B16
Groningen [8k\]: a12 worth anything ?
krakengo [1d\]: w too crunch b left side
MCGler [2k\]: biiiig ndgame for white
MCGler [2k\]: +e
MCGler [2k\]: damn, i want my own keyboard, this one actually is annoying me...
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;W[bb]C[USGO1 [-\]: loudly played
ziman [2k\]: ok...
mahatma [1k\]: huge endgame
Morgenes [1k\]: ah okay sry than fly ;-)
]
;B[cd]C[Morgenes [1k\]: i am 2 lazy 2 count by miselft
kirigo: b12 ?
Pinus [2k\]: E15 is still useful.
NeverCare [?\]: arent we all, arent we all...
poukram [1d\]: o18 remains for w?
Soromon [1k\]: o18 will close the gap a lot
MCGler [2k\]: yep
fly [1k\]: oh! I just recounted... w has 80?
MCGler [2k\]: still waiting for that ne
]
;W[dd]C[Rocker [4d\]: W ISS ahead by 1.5
MCGler [2k\]: but this looks like gote
mahatma [1k\]: c17?
Yoseki [3k\]: now B fix O18
USGO1 [-\]: the Ing clock speaks. It says that black has 10 mins left
idan100 [2k\]: c18 
Cz [-\]: it speaks?
MCGler [2k\]: doesn't work
NeverCare [?\]: yup
Morgenes [1k\]: the kibitz-ing-clock?
Cz [-\]: like speak speaks?
NrlyNormal [4k\]: how much time for white?
krakengo [1d\]: you like the empty triangle ?
Zyphe [9k\]: b b12? 
fly [1k\]: Yes Cz; the clocks talk.
ziman [2k\]: b cannot c18?
dima [2d\]: Yes, the so called annoying talking clock Not just it speaks, but there is no way to shut it up
Francisco [3d\]: How much is an ING´s clock worth?
Jenghis [2k\]: Yose is definitely going to determine who wins this game
gepay [2k\]: its close and we know MIngiu has an excellent end game
]
;B[gb]C[chunga [8d\]: MW's ending game is very strong
NeverCare [?\]: b c18, i think w yas a meltdown move
Yoseki [3k\]: what's the voice sound like?
fly [1k\]: Actually, with the new clocks, you can sometimes turn the sound all the way off.
]
;W[hc]
;B[ha]
;W[cc]C[Tobamf [2d?\]: umm, don't both of these high level pros have an excellent end game?
Soromon [1k\]: if black c18 then white c17, and the weaknesses at c12 comes back to bite black
dima [2d\]: really fly? That's a huge improvement
kimball [4d\]: i like to run them in chinese-mode
Equitsumei [-\]: b +. .
idan100 [2k\]: b+r
krakengo [1d\]: ?
MCGler [2k\]: white got the same endgame over at o18
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu quickly taps his fingers on the table just before playing H17
nickwild [3k\]: w a11 also sente
ennuistic [1k\]: no thinking here.
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;B[ad]C[Cz [-\]: thinking is not allowed
zax [-\]: thinking is cheating
Jenghis [2k\]: is white b12 any good?
nickwild [3k\]: i like o18
]
;W[bh]C[Ukasuhs [2k\]: pros are good at cheating then
NeverCare [?\]: maybe jenghis
NeverCare [?\]: ;)
Ukasuhs [2k\]: w want a18 in sente
alienist [5k\]: thinking is just covert speech
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: no w want to kill
Ukasuhs [2k\]: that too
shanku [4k\]: die monster, you don't belong in this world!
Astral [3k\]: no it is alive
Soromon [1k\]: white wants black to live small in gote
jack123 [1d\]: //
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: the whole grp isnt alive
]
;B[bi]
;W[ai]C[noha: no, w ants to kill
]
;B[aj]C[idan100 [2k\]: alive but in what cost
]
;W[ah]
;B[bg]C[ennuistic [1k\]: alive in gote.
joelw [12k\]: hey, this is part of the really interesting variation I was thinking about earlier
]
;W[bj]
;B[ch]C[nouziller [2k\]: yes
]
;W[ak]C[ziman [2k\]: sure
]
;B[ab]C[Astral [3k\]: so the whole group is alive
kurosama [2d\]: b15 ?
]
;W[ca]C[noha: how could b live in sente PLS ...
]
;B[ag]C[Gay [4d\]: dont work
]
;W[aj]
;B[be]C[nickwild [3k\]: o18
leger [1k\]: black leads by 2-3 pts
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: f7 
]
;W[nb]C[Soromon [1k\]: finally
nickwild [3k\]: yes
MrShintou [-\]: did he play this one loud usgo1 =D
USGO1 [-\]: yes
Tobamf [2d?\]: heheh
Tobamf [2d?\]: I would
Gay [4d\]: did he scream while playing it
USGO1 [-\]: they are playing faster... no time to chat
nouziller [2k\]: this is big endgame move
joelw [12k\]: he used a women's tennis grunt
USGO1 [-\]: the Ing clock says that black has 5 mins left
NeverCare [?\]: all you have to do is look and click!
Tobamf [2d?\]: lol
alienist [5k\]: big mo going to w
MrShintou [-\]: lol @ ing clock.
setake [10k\]: what is the ing clock?
]
;B[gc]
;W[gd]C[dfender [1d?\]: A tool from hell.
BlackSmurf [2k\]: the ing clock doesnt seems to care about w's time....
kyuboy [9k\]:  :p
Arnulf [2d\]: b g10
Cz [-\]: cheating clock
moiiiiiiii [2d\]: f17 
]
;B[kd]C[daXvinci [2k\]: pray to the clock! OO
USGO1 [-\]: until it speaks, just know that white has more than 10 mins left
Tobamf [2d?\]: it speaks?
BlackSmurf [2k\]: ok thx ^^
idan100 [2k\]: nice
USGO1 [-\]: otherwise, I can't see it
Yoseki [3k\]: O16?
]
;W[je]C[ziman [2k\]: btw who is usgo
Cz [-\]: legendary 9p recorder
setake [10k\]: a volunteer
Akagi316 [7k\]: looks like b wins
Hylebos [3k\]: USGO is tartrate.
HamatoYosh [-\]: lol
Cz [-\]: tartrate * 2
MCGler [2k\]: he is the god of the recorders
dima [2d\]: info says Dennis Wheeler
Ukasuhs [2k\]: Cz u mean 10p
]
;B[nc]C[Praetorian [5d?\]: USGO is Jie Li 9d
]
;W[oa]C[Tobamf [2d?\]: usgo: realname Robert Smith, height 5' 10", weight 168 lbs, eye color brown
]
;B[fc]C[Praetorian [5d?\]: :o
]
;W[fd]C[setake [10k\]: that guy is scrawny
]
;B[oc]C[Yoseki [3k\]: single
noha: Akagi316, how much points for w and b pls, if it looks ...
BlackSmurf [2k\]: lo @kgs+
liut1rta [4d\]: jessica alba has a baby
]
;W[jc]C[Gay [4d\]: who care
BlackSmurf [2k\]: mdr
liut1rta [4d\]: that affects the way black is playing
setake [10k\]: ill dorp kick it if it becomes like paris hilton
setake [10k\]: in anyway
liut1rta [4d\]: lol
MCGler [2k\]: this is our way of thanking the game recorders. u can't truly want o stop us from doing that, can you?
GocchiSama [2k\]: white has a white moyo
MCGler [2k\]: *us
]
;B[kc]C[CardCaptor [1k\]: u can't call that a moyo
MCGler [2k\]: *to
CardCaptor [1k\]: thats territory
MCGler [2k\]: xD
NeverCare [?\]: paris hilton is actually a very intelligent and capable woman
fly [1k\]: w up 4 or 5?
liut1rta [4d\]: freak, he kicked me
liut1rta [4d\]: lol
chunga [8d\]: B+ Resign
chunga [8d\]: B's ending game is very good
Tobamf [2d?\]: blacks left is huge
joelw [12k\]: ya, if she wasn't such a ditz, she'd be brilliant
liut1rta [4d\]: paris hilton?  i doubt she can beat me in go
Tobamf [2d?\]: err, right
idan100 [2k\]: g18 bigger then o18 
Capsule [3d\]: Yin Kuo was a bit rude against Jang Bi...
kyuboy [9k\]: how?
fly [1k\]: how so?
mouton112 [8d?\]: win by too much 
topfar [1d\]: I still think it is a close game
setake [10k\]: yeah but she is stupid because she CHOOSES to make her image one of immatureness and party girl-sish
krakengo [1d\]: she is still a 30k
Capsule [3d\]: at the end of the game, when players take the prisoners and count the end.
]
;W[og]C[setake [10k\]: that means she is even stupider than the stupid people
krakengo [1d\]: but she can learn
alienist [5k\]: w needs MAJOR invasion
setake [10k\]: cause she has a choice
Capsule [3d\]: jang bi was counting his side, but lin kuo wasn't.
Capsule [3d\]: eventually jang bi did it for lin
Capsule [3d\]: he was just staring at his board
kyuboy [9k\]: ?
mouton112 [8d?\]: oh, only one person counts
]
;B[mi]
;W[li]C[fly [1k\]: huh... who won?
Tobamf [2d?\]: hunh?
Capsule [3d\]: why only 1 person?
Tobamf [2d?\]: the players don't count?
Capsule [3d\]: Yin Kuo won
mouton112 [8d?\]: will be a mess if both of them are moving stones around 
Capsule [3d\]: by 10
tkdking [18k\]: does anybody know how a game tree works?
setake [10k\]: you couldnt be beat paris hilton... you would be too disrtacted...
topfar [1d\]: Very close game?
CardCaptor [1k\]: haven't you see hikaru no go
CardCaptor [1k\]: mitani
kyuboy [9k\]: :o
CardCaptor [1k\]: cheating while the other guy is counting
CardCaptor [1k\]: lol
setake [10k\]: and if you werent distracted you would have to be gay
NrlyNormal [4k\]: enough you guys..
fly [1k\]: tkdking: it's like a spagetti tree!  (seriously, look at wiki)
xushibagua [5k\]: kuo lin = female?
Praetorian [5d?\]: w will win
CardCaptor [1k\]: m10?
USGO1 [-\]: black has 1 min left
tkdking [18k\]: k?
CardCaptor [1k\]: oh wait
CardCaptor [1k\]: not m10
CardCaptor [1k\]: i lie
Tobamf [2d?\]: when his minute expires then what is byo-yomi?
CardCaptor [1k\]: sorry
CardCaptor [1k\]: on something
topfar [1d\]: Why chunga bias to B here?
poukram [1d\]: id there byoyomi then ?
]
;B[pa]C[idan100 [2k\]: g10 
Akagi316 [7k\]: just from eyeballing it looks like b win
mouton112 [8d?\]: cuz B is korean
Yoseki [3k\]: time buying
]
;W[qa]C[Capsule [3d\]: who are you mouton?
Yoseki [3k\]: is "eyeball' a game?
chunga [8d\]: B is one of best freinds, but I think B is doing good at the end game
mouton112 [8d?\]: i am mouton
Tobamf [2d?\]: how much does time cost this game?
Capsule [3d\]: :)
setake [10k\]: ill eyeball your mom
USGO1 [-\]: black in in byo-yomi now
Praetorian [5d?\]: Chunga
Capsule [3d\]: oh snaps!
setake [10k\]: haha
mouton112 [8d?\]: B lives in LA now Chunga ?
Tobamf [2d?\]: what is byo-yomi?
Yoseki [3k\]: Chunga is partial
]
;B[sb]C[chunga [8d\]: yes
CardCaptor [1k\]: oh
]
;W[rb]C[CardCaptor [1k\]: haha
kyuboy [9k\]: iO_O
CardCaptor [1k\]: O_O
Violence [?\]: normal endgame
mouton112 [8d?\]: he will be a good mentor for you all
joelw [12k\]: t17
Yoseki [3k\]: more time bying
chunga [8d\]: ^^
Elfwood [2k\]: reducing white to 2 pts?
]
;B[sg]C[Akagi316 [7k\]: just timesujis
NeverCare [?\]: my god its like all go players are the same person
Cz [-\]: i think this is endgame
Violence [?\]: no
Prodigious [4d\]: This is not a timesuji
Capsule [3d\]: no its points
Praetorian [5d?\]: chunga is b from Dr. Sung-Hwa Hong's novel?
CardCaptor [1k\]: i think this is a tesuji
Violence [?\]: it's endgame reduction
theripper [2d\]: ko
CardCaptor [1k\]: yose tesuji
Violence [?\]: it's very normal
Violence [?\]: ... this isn't ko.
theripper [2d\]: ah no
CardCaptor [1k\]: s16 right
Zyphe [9k\]: w t17
theripper [2d\]: take 2 stones
Yoseki [3k\]: killing 2 stones?
Zyphe [9k\]: hmm no
Zyphe [9k\]: that dont work
Violence [?\]: yes, killing two stones
CardCaptor [1k\]: no black get s16
theripper [2d\]: t17 s15 t19 s16
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu looks off to the side and squints his eyes
joelw [12k\]: t17 is safe play
Yoseki [3k\]: w T17
chunga [8d\]: I learn quite a lot from Myung Wan and improving
]
;W[sc]
;B[go]C[zflyhorse [2k\]: only one 
Akagi316 [7k\]: i see
Capsule [3d\]: soh-ka
Arnulf [2d\]: g5?
mouton112 [8d?\]: how long he is staying here?
Khouphrane [5d\]: f2
Akagi316 [7k\]: b + res
chunga [8d\]: at least 2-3 years
Iceborg [6k\]: uh oh Mingjiu loses :(
mouton112 [8d?\]: good
Tobamf [2d?\]: how many stones can MyungWan give you chunga?
mouton112 [8d?\]: i bet 2
mouton112 [8d?\]: haha
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
holynec [2k?\]: 4
holynec [2k?\]: :D
Yoseki [3k\]: 1
CardCaptor [1k\]: 4? no way
Ukasuhs [2k\]: over 9000
Capsule [3d\]: 3.14159
shoutan [?\]: w losing big time
Morgenes [1k\]: 1/2?
]
;W[gj]C[ewtgesg: revers komi
Astral [3k\]: with two stones it is fair probably
chunga [8d\]: ^^
CardCaptor [1k\]: wait, this has reverse komi?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: 360 stone handicapt?
]
;B[lg]C[NeverCare [?\]: peoples if we dont focus on the game they are going to do that stupid chat mederation or whatever
]
;W[lh]C[tkdking [18k\]: 3.14159265358979323846264338372795028841969399375105820974944592307816
tkdking [18k\]: pi
NeverCare [?\]: so shut up just shut up
chunga [8d\]: I need 9 handicaps to play Myung Wan^^
NeverCare [?\]: shut up
Praetorian [5d?\]: no way chunga
mouton112 [8d?\]: to be surely win
Capsule [3d\]: NeverCare you are being more distracting than the people you are complaining about
NeverCare [?\]: prove it
NrlyNormal [4k\]: stop
Tobamf [2d?\]: what is the score?
topfar [1d\]: W wins by komi?
dfender [1d?\]: 3727950 that one must be 327950 - you lose.
USGO1 [-\]: 4 periods left
Fokatukc [6k\]: oo
CardCaptor [1k\]: he's proven it because he said he's more distracted by you than eveyrone else
ewtgesg: so YOU are mogo
]
;B[nf]C[Capsule [3d\]: :)
NeverCare [?\]: lol
Capsule [3d\]: i dont need to argue with 10year olds, so w/e
NeverCare [?\]: that was a dis on you capsule learn to read
Fokatukc [6k\]: time running out
Shinato [-\]: enough, keep all comments on the game
kyuboy [9k\]: im 11 :D
plamarre: b s16 ?
]
;W[fr]C[Fokatukc [6k\]: b s16 dont work
mouton112 [8d?\]: the game...
]
;B[fs]C[Yoseki [3k\]: 2-step ko for W?
]
;W[mb]C[CardCaptor [1k\]: wait why won't s16 work?
CardCaptor [1k\]: where would white play
Fokatukc [6k\]: s16 s17 t15 t19 
idan100 [2k\]: e18 
Fokatukc [6k\]: thens16 s15 
Elfwood [2k\]: is maybe becuase S16 is gote?
CardCaptor [1k\]: and he takes 2 stones?
USGO1 [-\]: 3 periods 
CardCaptor [1k\]: liek the original idea
Batavia [5k\]: s16 t19 t15. it works just fine w captures 2 stones but it is not big enough
Tobamf [2d?\]: Fokatukc: be careful reading that
BlackSmurf [2k\]: wow n18 is great !
Fokatukc [6k\]: s16 is 1 pt gote
MCGler [2k\]: takes two and havin one of his own in atari right away...
CardCaptor [1k\]: yea
CardCaptor [1k\]: its gote so its not played
CardCaptor [1k\]: but doesn't mean it doesn't work
USGO1 [-\]: 2 periods
Fokatukc [6k\]: it doesnt kill
mouton112 [8d?\]: very close game to me
CardCaptor [1k\]: course not
dfender [1d?\]: M18 should be sente
Morgenes [1k\]: hope b won't lose on time...
Yoseki [3k\]: T15 same result
CardCaptor [1k\]: in yose its about points
USGO1 [-\]: last period
joelw [12k\]: m18 important
topfar [1d\]: looks w wins?
Fokatukc [6k\]: and 1pt gote is not worth it yet
gepay [2k\]: and sente and gote
mouton112 [8d?\]: E18
]
;B[lb]C[BlackSmurf [2k\]: wth is he waiting for....n17
CardCaptor [1k\]: we've established that fok
Soromon [1k\]: e18 big
Vash3G [-\]: What is White's time?
USGO1 [-\]: with 7 sec to spare
topfar [1d\]: H2?
CardCaptor [1k\]: dono
USGO1 [-\]: more than 10 min Vash
Cz [-\]: maybe he recounted the board
nouziller [2k\]: e18 big no?
mouton112 [8d?\]: huge
Tobamf [2d?\]: isnt white winning?
BlackSmurf [2k\]: w n17 seems sente
zflyhorse [2k\]: j6
Fokatukc [6k\]: b wining
CardCaptor [1k\]: its gote
chunga [8d\]: close game
Tobamf [2d?\]: not by my count
Fokatukc [6k\]: yes gote
BlackSmurf [2k\]: no there a threat at q15 
Bruno5940 [16k\]: theres no gote is there?
Akagi316 [7k\]: b + 2.5
NrlyNormal [4k\]: chunga, what's your count?
xushibagua [5k\]: no .5 aga rules right?
xushibagua [5k\]: straight 8 komi no?
Fokatukc [6k\]: e18 huge now
chunga [8d\]: can't count
CardCaptor [1k\]: 8 komi??
mouton112 [8d?\]: depends on the F3 Ko
Iceborg [6k\]: yes 
CardCaptor [1k\]: really
Javaness [-\]: can black invade at J12?
mouton112 [8d?\]: whoever wins F3 will win 
Fokatukc [6k\]: rules say 7.5 komi
Iceborg [6k\]: if jigo b wins
xushibagua [5k\]: ah
Iceborg [6k\]: it is 8
joelw [12k\]: g8 pretty big
Gay [4d\]: yeah ofc
topfar [1d\]: W wins by komi
Gay [4d\]: j12 reduces everything
]
;W[hr]C[Cz [-\]: yes, j12 strongg
]
;B[fq]
;W[dj]C[Chrom [4k\]: joking?
regatta: j12 is yummy in the tummy
Fokatukc [6k\]: ko time
Bruno5940 [16k\]: ?
Bruno5940 [16k\]: j12?
mandelbrot [2k\]: h13 is more balanced and works well with e15 
PogoGo [6k\]: i'd play h13 instantly.
Bruno5940 [16k\]: that doesnt make any sense
topfar [1d\]: J12 is 18 k level
]
;B[cg]C[Bruno5940 [16k\]: h13? ???????
]
;W[fr]C[NeverCare [?\]: lol
Chrom [4k\]: lol
Bruno5940 [16k\]: wat that makes no sense
Akagi316 [7k\]: c'mon where's your sense of humor
CardCaptor [1k\]: lol
Akagi316 [7k\]: :)
joelw [12k\]: if k stood for killer
Yoseki [3k\]: **shut up everybody**
Bruno5940 [16k\]: oh i though i was missing something
]
;B[mj]C[Iceborg [6k\]: right they pull legs here bruno :)
Morgenes [1k\]: h13 is earreddening move!
]
;W[lj]C[Soromon [1k\]: Don't understand white's first ko threat - why not a ko threat that gains white some points, like G8 or P12?
idan100 [2k\]: l9 thats y!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BlackSmurf [2k\]: for the one who plays it
Fokatukc [6k\]: very big ko now
Uberdude [2d\]: i thought b would get n18 
Praetorian [5d?\]: the game is really close
]
;B[fq]C[acellist1 [5k\]: I count b winning
Fokatukc [6k\]: yes
Akagi316 [7k\]: yup
NeverCare [?\]: uh huh
Fokatukc [6k\]: but not by much
Gay [4d\]: sure ''you'' count
Iceborg [6k\]: go Mingjiu !!!
acellist1 [5k\]: "I" count
Fokatukc [6k\]: 5 pts mebe
Gay [4d\]: Options - Score Est you mean?
cprevo [8k\]: if black plays s16
]
;W[al]C[thejurist [4k\]: lol gay sharp as always
acellist1 [5k\]: just counted in my head
sorminator [3d\]: oh almighty se whats your opinion this game..."call me later..."
Tobamf [2d?\]: is white down by 2 pts?
]
;B[am]
;W[fr]C[SColbert [2d\]: white will win this ko
Yoseki [3k\]: this is really game-deciding huh
luiffy [8k\]: g1 
]
;B[oo]
;W[op]C[Bruno5940 [16k\]: k 8 is ko threat
Uberdude [2d\]: p4 
Equitsumei [-\]: b +. .
joelw [12k\]: boo
Bruno5940 [16k\]: right?
joelw [12k\]: s16 nicer ko threat
]
;B[fq]C[Uberdude [2d\]: s16 loses points
Uberdude [2d\]: if you do not follow up
egemen [-\]: b wins by about 4 point
idan100 [2k\]: n1 
fly [1k\]: I have b: 60, w: 65... but, I can't count
Javaness [-\]: I thought P12 was bigger than the ko
Iceborg [6k\]: sure Bruno, it is
Reborned [1k\]: 482 vewier damn
Soromon [1k\]: i think white should use p12 as a threat to make up a point
Gay [4d\]: s12 is just fine ko treat
topfar [1d\]: p14?
joelw [12k\]: the idea is that eventually either w plays s16 or b does, so it doesn't lose points
shanku [4k\]: if b plays s16 w has to give up s15 right?
Cz [-\]: they have not had enough drinks yet
Fokatukc [6k\]: p14 works
Gay [4d\]: s16*
USGO1 [-\]: the Ing clock speaks. It says that white has 10 mins left
Batavia [5k\]: n17 seems like an ok ko threat, or k8
Gay [4d\]: s16-s17-t15-t19
Zyphe [9k\]: j7 a viable ko threat?
Gay [4d\]: b keeps sente
joelw [12k\]: loses a point
Gay [4d\]: it gains a point
nickwild [3k\]: no p14 then 013 then p12
Uberdude [2d\]: s16 t19 
DragonWolf [5k\]: T19 is a threat for black?
joelw [12k\]: s16 s17
Uberdude [2d\]: white will not s17
kurohana [15k\]: speaking clocks... how cute ^__^
Uberdude [2d\]: white will t19
Yoseki [3k\]: b T19 loses pts
idan100 [2k\]: how much is the ko?
CardCaptor [1k\]: what does it take to get to this reading level... just massive amounts of tsumego everyday?
Fokatukc [6k\]: t19 is a threat but s16 is better
Gay [4d\]: and b eat 2 stones
Bruno5940 [16k\]: m3 is a ko threat
Bruno5940 [16k\]: for black
Uberdude [2d\]: in gote and loses ko
Uberdude [2d\]: ko threats should not be gote
Uberdude [2d\]: this is quite basic 
Makky [3d\]: 6,5 points?
Bruno5940 [16k\]: thats not gote
idan100 [2k\]: y
Jenghis [2k\]: Uberdude is in rare form today : )
fly [1k\]: some high dan want to count and fill us clueless watchers in?
joelw [12k\]: s16 s17 t19 t15...so s17 is possible
]
;W[bm]C[Bruno5940 [16k\]: its threating to kill the white stones
Soromon [1k\]: how obvious are p12 and p14 as sente ko threats that are also worth points?
Beanbag [3d\]: yea brunos right
Cz [-\]: is this game ing rules?
Soromon [1k\]: Why does Jiang leave them?
fly [1k\]: aga rules
]
;B[rd]C[Uberdude [2d\]: m3 loses points though
quietman [6k\]: j7 good threat for b, he needs to play there anyway
Cz [-\]: huh
]
;W[rc]C[quietman [6k\]: t19
Beanbag [3d\]: buno u realy 16k? lol
nekobasu [15k\]: did the recorder miss a ko capture?
Zyphe [9k\]: f7 ko threat for white?
]
;B[se]
;W[sa]C[Fokatukc [6k\]: f8 decent threat?
eviiL [3d\]: is this possible like this ?
Fokatukc [6k\]: did we miss something?
trixxer [3k\]: yeah a6 is missing
]
;B[fr]C[Jenghis [2k\]: no
joelw [12k\]: seems like the ko at f2 would've gotten played first, but not clear
]
;W[an]C[Gay [4d\]: see ubberdude?
Elfwood [2k\]: black is sayint white to resign???
Yoseki [3k\]: uhoh B decalres civtory
Fokatukc [6k\]: o b ignored threat
]
;B[hs]C[Fokatukc [6k\]: e18
topfar [1d\]: W wins?
Yoseki [3k\]: means W theat was too small?
Iliusha [3d\]: b win f2 ko he mus be win this game like 8d said
]
;W[is]C[DragonWolf [5k\]: is this a ko threat making move?
DragonWolf [5k\]: H1?
idan100 [2k\]: e18 
nouziller [2k\]: someone to explain the seq?
]
;B[ip]C[topfar [1d\]: W wins by komi?
]
;W[jp]C[Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: good yose
joelw [12k\]: b may be planning on playing k1 and m1 to create more ko action
esidebob [-\]: points in sente making move
Fokatukc [6k\]: j6?
Arnulf [2d\]: g8
]
;B[eb]C[Miria [1d\]: hmm
abbadan [-\]: j6 
Makky [3d\]: k1 m1 don't work
Miria [1d\]: k2 looks big
chunga [8d\]: W
Fokatukc [6k\]: f7?
chunga [8d\]: W's ending game was not good
topfar [1d\]: G8?
petraube [1k\]: noir creuse l'écart
Fokatukc [6k\]: g8
]
;W[of]C[fly [1k\]: b by 2 points?
gepay [2k\]: b won ko and got e 18 white cpatured a7 
abbadan [-\]: more
]
;B[oe]C[fly [1k\]: how many?
]
;W[mf]C[Iliusha [3d\]: need o15 
DragonWolf [5k\]: O15?
]
;B[ne]C[Soromon [1k\]: if white can connect o13 sente then q12 is big
topfar [1d\]: B loses
abbadan [-\]: around 5 imho
Uberdude [2d\]: yes w mustn't get o13 in sente
Soromon [1k\]: *q12
ennuistic [1k\]: hard to find a move like this.
Fokatukc [6k\]: y didnt cut work there?
Uberdude [2d\]: otr else can play q12
ennuistic [1k\]: nice.
Singer [10k\]: Who is winning this one?
Cz [-\]: everyone is losing
Uberdude [2d\]: Fokatukc cut where?
Khouphrane [5d\]: q10
Fokatukc [6k\]: n13 
royalty [3d\]: q what?
Uberdude [2d\]: n13 o13 
Makky [3d\]: n14 is cool
Zyphe [9k\]: i am still sure black is winnig
topfar [1d\]: p12?
zflyhorse [2k\]: p12
Uberdude [2d\]: you fall for a trick
Singer [10k\]: O13
Zyphe [9k\]: right side and bottom is huge
pilaf [2d\]: Jiang is not in good mode this year
Makky [3d\]: n13 o13 o15 q12 
USGO1 [-\]: the Ing clock says that black has 5 mins left
Makky [3d\]: this is the trick
Khouphrane [5d\]: what is the komi ?
USGO1 [-\]: *white
Uberdude [2d\]: w offers you a tiny bit, you take it and then w gets a lot more with q12
nekobasu [15k\]: They both find so many unexpected places to play
]
;W[gl]C[eviiL [3d\]: is it now SD, usgo ?
Crumb [7k\]: K1 is looking extra devious
]
;B[oh]C[dima [2d\]: no. white has 5 min main time, b is in byo-yomi
NeverCare [?\]: why?
]
;W[ng]C[Singer [10k\]: K1 needs E5 first?
eviiL [3d\]: ah, thx dima
DragonWolf [5k\]: N13?
USGO1 [-\]: copy paste error - sorry
AbCdEfG69: who won?
]
;B[jr]C[Yoseki [3k\]: K1 M! -W L2 B can't connect
Iliusha [3d\]: omg
]
;W[jq]C[AbCdEfG69: k1m?
Singer [10k\]: ko?
proutoz0re: big ko
Fokatukc [6k\]: ko
Yoseki [3k\]: K1-M! combination
mlnmiles [1d\]: no ko
EyesOnly [2d\]: no ko
Yoseki [3k\]: M1* darn it
Singer [10k\]: Isn't N1 fairly big now?
pilaf [2d\]: no ko
royalty [3d\]: what ko?
AbCdEfG69: k1m won
Uberdude [2d\]: b is short of libs
topfar [1d\]: Big Ko!
]
;B[db]C[Singer [10k\]: Oh no, no ko
]
;W[cb]C[EyesOnly [2d\]: ^^
Crumb [7k\]: J2?
ewtgesg: b under timepressure
Cz [-\]: time error
Khouphrane [5d\]: ko after L2 no ?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: j2 does nothing
Uberdude [2d\]: f7 now 
nekobasu [15k\]: j2 lose points
mlnmiles [1d\]: hehe:)
Fokatukc [6k\]: j2 l2 k1 l1 
]
;B[fm]C[Fokatukc [6k\]: j6 ?
zflyhorse [2k\]: q13
Enraiha [8k\]: n13?
abbadan [-\]: j6 
mlnmiles [1d\]: f7=5pts:)
MCGler [2k\]: how, khuphrane?
MCGler [2k\]: +o sorry
mlnmiles [1d\]: a5
Khouphrane [5d\]: n1
MrShintou [-\]: such a close game.
nouziller [2k\]: a5
AbCdEfG69: l2 l1 ?
Praetorian [5d?\]: l2 m1 khouphrane
DragonWolf [5k\]: J2 lets black connect in sente instead of gote?
mlnmiles [1d\]: q13, w still has some good moves:)
Singer [10k\]: w J6?
ewtgesg: J^
mlnmiles [1d\]: j6 good but gote
topfar [1d\]: N1?
fly [1k\]: This game could last another hour!
MCGler [2k\]: i don't really get your idea... :P
Fokatukc [6k\]: a5 ?
]
;W[in]C[mlnmiles [1d\]: oh:D
Khouphrane [5d\]: yes praetorian
Singer [10k\]: A19 is a nice ko threat :P
]
;B[ao]C[Singer [10k\]: :D - I guessed that move
Praetorian [5d?\]: :)
Khouphrane [5d\]: g7
Iceborg [6k\]: h6 
Tangerine [5k\]: h6
topfar [1d\]: W wins!
royalty [3d\]: time to count threats
mlnmiles [1d\]: q13
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: topfar : how?
Praetorian [5d?\]: royalty for what?
DragonWolf [5k\]: black has a few around that J2 area?
Zyphe [9k\]: what rules is this played under?
thejurist [4k\]: for a7 ko?
topfar [1d\]: a7
Fokatukc [6k\]: b still should win
NeverCare [?\]: ing 
fly [1k\]: aga
Zyphe [9k\]: scoring
NeverCare [?\]: points
leperenoel [-\]: w Q13 big sente or not so sente?
]
;W[mg]C[mlnmiles [1d\]: sente. sente:)
Cz [-\]: aga is basically chinese rules?
USGO1 [-\]: white 1 min main
joelw [12k\]: n17
Praetorian [5d?\]: that's 4 points
Slug [3k\]: ever inhale an ice cube?
]
;B[am]C[fly [1k\]: now n16 is, uh... 3 points?
Firebolt [5k\]: i didn't count, but isn't b way ahead?
Slug [3k\]: oh, nevermind
Fokatukc [6k\]: q13 
gepay [2k\]: no
fly [1k\]: ko!
]
;W[da]C[Tangerine [5k\]: now h6
Singer [10k\]: Mingjiu doesn't want to acknowledge he has lost, though :P
USGO1 [-\]: loud clack
Jubilex [4k\]: cz:AGA is like modified chinese rules. not exactly chinese rules. there are a couple of extra ones, such as pass stones.
mlnmiles [1d\]: take
fly [1k\]: but, almost Chinese rules
petraube [1k\]: ouhla dangereux
MCGler [2k\]: white can still win this, methink
]
;B[ea]C[mlnmiles [1d\]: :P
]
;W[an]C[Singer [10k\]: What is the follow up to D19?
MCGler [2k\]: it's very close
Praetorian [5d?\]: f19
MCGler [2k\]: probably the ko brining the decision
dima [2d\]: f19
DragonWolf [5k\]: J2?
]
;B[jl]C[fly [1k\]: how many points this ko? 5?
Singer [10k\]: J2 doesnt' work
]
;W[kl]C[Yoseki [3k\]: w +2
Praetorian [5d?\]: fly, 4
fly [1k\]: ty
Slug [3k\]: myung i think wins
mlnmiles [1d\]: Singer, it does as a ko threat:)
fly [1k\]: does that count c6?
thejurist [4k\]: j7 better then l8 right?
]
;B[am]C[Praetorian [5d?\]: sorry 3
DragonWolf [5k\]: singer: J2 threatens to connect :) doesn't by itself
Singer [10k\]: Oh, fair enough then :P
katori15 [4k\]: e17 
]
;W[fa]C[Zyphe [9k\]: e17 ko threat
USGO1 [-\]: loud clack again
kirigo: what about n16?
fly [1k\]: that's gotta hurt
joelw [12k\]: e17?
topfar [1d\]: J7 was better than L8
]
;B[ga]C[Praetorian [5d?\]: mingjiu says that he has more threats
Cz [-\]: man, they need to stop with loud stone thumping
]
;W[an]C[Praetorian [5d?\]: with these loud plays
tkdking [18k\]: .
tkdking [18k\]:  
MCGler [2k\]: n16 = wasting points
Singer [10k\]: Nothing can beat mingjiu!
Slug [3k\]: hard to slam a stone into yose space ^^
Cz [-\]: if they want to be aggressive, throw punches, dont just tap stones loudly
eviiL [3d\]: if b loses ko he loses the game ? o.o
fly [1k\]: joelw: e17 loses game... throw-in and snapback
]
;B[im]C[nickwild [3k\]: now very close
]
;W[kn]C[holynec [2k?\]: cz, this isnt boxing
DragonWolf [5k\]: J7 creates ko threats for white doens't it?
revan27 [8k\]: i think throwing punches gets you points in the russian scoring system, but not chinese
]
;B[am]C[NeverCare [?\]: j19
]
;W[ec]C[Singer [10k\]: A19
USGO1 [-\]: white now in byo-yomi
joelw [12k\]: ic it, ty
dima [2d\]: oh, I am sorry my stone went in your face, it just slipped out of my fingers :)
Cz [-\]: holynec, maybe not but we might get some pay per view coverage if we let it be like it
leperenoel [-\]: b G1 ko threat?
royalty [3d\]: h6 becomes good threats.
]
;B[fb]C[eviiL [3d\]: how is byo yomi ?
]
;W[an]C[topfar [1d\]: W wins for sure!
zflyhorse [2k\]: j19 still
fujichan [2k\]: one minutes per move evil
fujichan [2k\]: minute*
eviiL [3d\]: ah, thx
Jubilex [4k\]: every count I make shows black ahead by 2 or 3. am I wrong?
Singer [10k\]: b is too awesome to loose
Ukasuhs [2k\]: its 30 seconds byo yomi
]
;B[ms]C[MCGler [2k\]: white got sente endgame
]
;W[ls]C[Tobamf [2d?\]: where is white from ? China?
]
;B[os]C[MCGler [2k\]: did you consider that correctly?
Praetorian [5d?\]: w had more
Manowar [8d\]: marocco
dfender [1d?\]: B leads
Fokatukc [6k\]: are they both in byo-yomi?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: yes china
Khouphrane [5d\]: g7
fluffy [3k\]: did you include captured stones and komi Jubilex?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: but now he lives in bay area
kurosama [2d\]: q13
Tobamf [2d?\]: thnx
Singer [10k\]: G6?
Jubilex [4k\]: yes. but not the sente white had there
Fokatukc [6k\]: fill ko?
USGO1 [-\]: 4 periods
kurosama [2d\]: first sente move
topfar [1d\]: Let chunga count
royalty [3d\]: if white still leading in threats, elsewhere..
kurosama [2d\]: then fill ko
holynec [2k?\]: h1 is ko too
deft [4d\]: not really
Yoseki [3k\]: mig count
MCGler [2k\]: still more sente to come, round h6 and q13 
USGO1 [-\]: 3 periods
holynec [2k?\]: white can play both kos
mlnmiles [1d\]: q13 seems ok
holynec [2k?\]: err black, if he doenst fill o,o
deft [4d\]: B connection at G1 is sente
topfar [1d\]: G7?
eviiL [3d\]: s+time
MCGler [2k\]: h1 is ko for 1 stone, not more
nickwild [3k\]: q13 a good threat
USGO1 [-\]: 2 periods
egemen [-\]: s16
Whitesmith [14k\]: L2?
fluffy [3k\]: damn..white wins if b ahead by 2-3 atm
holynec [2k?\]: heck, it isnt even
holynec [2k?\]: lol
leperenoel [-\]: Q13 now?
abbadan [-\]: g7 
Ukasuhs [2k\]: a7...
holynec [2k?\]: my bad ^^
fujichan [2k\]: Q13
USGO1 [-\]: last period
fly [1k\]: w wins?
idan100 [2k\]: q13 
boxking [6d\]: w leads by 2-3 in my count
Elfwood [2k\]: b win by 1.5?
fluffy [3k\]: w wins
MCGler [2k\]: q13  q12  h6  g7  a7 
dfender [1d?\]: B wins
eviiL [3d\]: b wins on time for sure
]
;W[am]C[royalty [3d\]: are the clocks silences again
]
;B[gs]C[MCGler [2k\]: hm...
]
;W[ir]C[GoRangUDan [8k?\]: b needs g7?
royalty [3d\]: silenced
Jubilex [4k\]: oh ing rules, what is the time situation then? it matters in ing rules
topfar [1d\]: W wins for sure
Soromon [1k\]: black should s16 some time
kgs1d [1k\]: very close game, within 3 pts
abbadan [-\]: g7 
joelw [12k\]: q13
fluffy [3k\]: 3 pts is huuugeee
]
;B[lq]
;W[kq]C[Francisco [3d\]: how much is an Ing's clock worth?
fujichan [2k\]: .....?*
leperenoel [-\]: ? oO
theremin [1k\]: for pro 3pts is very big
Ixtlan [11k\]: please I need to know   whereis archieved the game computerMogo vs. 8p
Soromon [1k\]: time pressure
minimelcer [2d\]: ?
Aguydude [6k\]: time tesuji?
holynec [2k?\]: time tesuji
royalty [3d\]: timesuji
trumpet [3k\]: timesuji
minimelcer [2d\]: time
fly [1k\]: w by 5
DragonWolf [5k\]: H6/
DragonWolf [5k\]: ?
Singer [10k\]: w+0.5
thejurist [4k\]: c7 sente for w right?
MssrBlanc [4k\]: you can find it on godiscussions.com
biglaser [7k?\]: lol we all arent tihnking same thign
Ukasuhs [2k\]: lxtlan check info of mogotitan
biglaser [7k?\]: are we lol
]
;B[gm]C[holynec [2k?\]: yes thejurist
minimelcer [2d\]: lol
Fokatukc [6k\]: w + komi
idan100 [2k\]: n17 
topfar [1d\]: Q13?
royalty [3d\]: h6 g6 c7 c6 q13 q12 ..
eviiL [3d\]: if white lost so many periods maybe he loses
]
;W[me]C[Singer [10k\]: Q13 bigger than that ko?
septa [-\]: Ixtian, myungwan
fluffy [3k\]: black has no more sente?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: or mogotitan
Yoseki [3k\]: very close
]
;B[md]C[biglaser [7k?\]: s16  kinda big later?
Iliusha [3d\]: w+2.5
GoRangUDan [8k?\]: q 13 next?
eviiL [3d\]: how much points count one lost period, usgo ?
topfar [1d\]: W+9.5?
MCGler [2k\]: w+, too many sente points now
Ixtlan [11k\]: ok, thx
]
;W[ke]C[dfender [1d?\]: N16 was kinda weak
Yoseki [3k\]: lol topfar
royalty [3d\]: s16 is one point sente for black so about 2 points
GoDDy [20k?\]: what about j19 ??
EyesOnly [2d\]: c7 sente 
Cz [-\]: topfar... are you counting prisoners?
fly [1k\]: w has 48 + 7.5?
fly [1k\]: oh... +11
]
;B[la]C[topfar [1d\]: Let chunga count
proutoz0re: uh
mlnmiles [1d\]: chinese rules?
eviiL [3d\]: ing rules
Enraiha [8k\]: he can't count...
DragonWolf [5k\]: threatens O19
USGO1 [-\]: 1 sec to spare
minimelcer [2d\]: o19
]
;W[na]C[USGO1 [-\]: clack
egemen [-\]: w wins
Javaness [-\]: tension mounts
fujichan [2k\]: ^^
DragonWolf [5k\]: whats clack?
Singer [10k\]: w+louder clacks
fly [1k\]: b has 68... w 65.5?
]
;B[ld]C[Yoseki [3k\]: w is trying to psyche his opponent
biglaser [7k?\]: ing rules
Elfwood [2k\]: se says w wins, but area scoring says b wins...:S
nickwild [3k\]: q13 sente
Gay [4d\]: c7
]
;W[pg]C[NeverCare [?\]: arent prisoners worhtless in chinese rules
USGO1 [-\]: aga rules
kurosama [2d\]: c7 sente too
]
;B[ph]C[idan100 [2k\]: w + 10.5
Yoseki [3k\]: ing rulse B has more groups
Singer [10k\]: S16 now!
fujichan [2k\]: C7 
fujichan [2k\]: and S16 
]
;W[cm]C[boxking [6d\]: prisoners is never worthless
Aguydude [6k\]: c17 better than gote s16
]
;B[cn]C[abbadan [-\]: h6 
topfar [1d\]: W+res?
dfender [1d?\]: B+ .5
deft [4d\]: B+0.5
GoDDy [20k?\]: more stones prisoned, less stones on the field ?
fly [1k\]: now w by .5!
idan100 [2k\]: h6 
Yoseki [3k\]: H6
]
;W[rd]C[Morgenes [1k\]: prisoners are worthless but stones on the board are points
Soromon [1k\]: s16
biglaser [7k?\]: q14 
Morgenes [1k\]: so its the same ;-)
Singer [10k\]: usgo - use F3 tool for us :P
dfender [1d?\]: H6
DragonWolf [5k\]: end?
fujichan [2k\]: H6 no?
DragonWolf [5k\]: ah
Equitsumei [-\]: heh Myung-wan~
Fokatukc [6k\]: w wins
GoRangUDan [8k?\]: h6
biglaser [7k?\]: h6 
fly [1k\]: yes, AGA rules let you count Japanese or Chinese with same result
]
;B[hn]C[Tobamf [2d?\]: I count w + 0.5
biglaser [7k?\]: h6 j5 q14 
MrShintou [-\]: white is way ahead?
DragonWolf [5k\]: J5
DragonWolf [5k\]: ?
]
;W[pf]C[MrShintou [-\]: i count white ahead by 20... aga
fly [1k\]: w barely ahead
dfender [1d?\]: White loses
Cz [-\]: what the heck, how can it be the same result
Fokatukc [6k\]: w + komi, mebe a bit more
tkdking [18k\]: go to wiki?
minimelcer [2d\]: W+2.5?
ennuistic [1k\]: white ahead by that much?
joelw [12k\]: ko time?
]
;B[io]C[Soromon [1k\]: j5
Tobamf [2d?\]: i got w + 0.5 mini
dfender [1d?\]: Don't trust SE, 6 kyu
Cz [-\]: i dont understand these crazy rules
]
;W[pe]C[DragonWolf [5k\]: hmm doesn't black lose 2 points now?
fujichan [2k\]: ^^
royalty [3d\]: is it a point..
Enraiha [8k\]: ... i say b+2
mlnmiles [1d\]: q15 dame:)
Khouphrane [5d\]: n17
GoDDy [20k?\]: why does the scoreestimator says w -10,5 then ?
abbadan [-\]: n19 
ennuistic [1k\]: white 49 + 22 + komi
Shock1989 [4k\]: w + 2.5
joelw [12k\]: n17
GoDDy [20k?\]: w+10,5**
lepore [2d\]: b mistake?
DragonWolf [5k\]: black has to connect on both sides
Aguydude [6k\]: SE doesn't understand the rules, GoDDy
]
;B[mc]C[Javaness [-\]: hmm
minimelcer [2d\]: no w+2.5
DragonWolf [5k\]: so he loses more
meek [2k\]: no
nickwild [3k\]: horrible for b
Ukasuhs [2k\]: w winning
DragonWolf [5k\]: ohh
Ukasuhs [2k\]: by at least 2.5
Javaness [-\]: aji scares me
holynec [2k?\]: then ajikeshi ;-\]
Reborned [1k\]: Xd b lost
]
;W[jn]C[deft [4d\]: B can read out what happens
Reborned [1k\]: :(
Fokatukc [6k\]: arent kos are worth more in chinese scorimg?
ennuistic [1k\]: black 67 + 11
biglaser [7k?\]: e7  
Yoseki [3k\]: W+0.5
fly [1k\]: only if it favors the opponent!
Firebolt [5k\]: i'd guess b read r12 all the way out
Ukasuhs [2k\]: yes
Iceborg [6k\]: yarr squirrels scare easy ;)
DragonWolf [5k\]: N19?
Soromon [1k\]: let's see - black has 7 top, 15 bottom left, 42 right side, 4 top left, 11 prisoner = 79
]
;B[em]C[joelw [12k\]: that's a ko threat
]
;W[gk]C[topfar [1d\]: W+10.5?
biglaser [7k?\]:  n19 
minimelcer [2d\]: w+1.5?
abbadan [-\]: n19 
DragonWolf [5k\]: ah
DragonWolf [5k\]: N19 for ko
Singer [10k\]: w+0.5
Francisco [3d\]: b + 0.5?
Elfwood [2k\]: B+1.5
biglaser [7k?\]: no .5 komi 8 ?
Singer [10k\]: w+1 :P
]
;B[ac]C[GoRangUDan [8k?\]: a17 end
centrixx [12k?\]: nobody wants to play with me :-(((
DaWarrior [2k\]: r ?
chunga [8d\]: Is Komi 7.5?
fly [1k\]: Mostly we agree; very close!
meek [2k\]: se is right
Yoseki [3k\]: +- 0.5
DaWarrior [2k\]: r12 ?
lepore [2d\]: w + 1.5
dfender [1d?\]: B+1.5
]
;W[ek]C[chunga [8d\]: B+0.5
Aguydude [6k\]: a17 better than e9?
]
;B[ma]C[Fokatukc [6k\]: w to win
]
;W[pa]C[leperenoel [-\]: why not E9 fot B?
Tobamf [2d?\]: w 78.5 b 79,?
]
;B[eo]C[Tobamf [2d?\]: ish?
ennuistic [1k\]: 49 + 22 + komi?
]
;W[ba]C[Singer [10k\]: Does w win by less than komi?
]
;B[aa]C[Gotarist [12k\]: why is it so hard for people to count?
ennuistic [1k\]: 67 + 11
mouton112 [8d?\]: b + 0.5
Yoseki [3k\]: cuz Chinese rules
DragonWolf [5k\]: B19 was a ko wasnt it.. did black decide he can' win?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: w + .5
ennuistic [1k\]: black 78
Soromon [1k\]: white has 10 bottom 37 middle 2 top right 22 prisoner = 71, plus komi
chunga [8d\]: yes. B+0.5
Yoseki [3k\]: w +0.5 jap rules
fly [1k\]: w must pass last...
mouton112 [8d?\]: 74 VS 66
profi [1k\]: if w not a19  he should win
boxking [6d\]: not a19 for w?
ennuistic [1k\]: black should win.
Enraiha [8k\]: b+1.5
Francisco [3d\]: Is that jigo?
chunga [8d\]: b+0.5
USGO1 [-\]: players pass
GoRangUDan [8k?\]: w lost
theremin [1k\]: 0.5
thejurist [4k\]: boxk i tought that as well
elahrairah [3k\]: B+1.5
Francisco [3d\]: b+0.5
Firebolt [5k\]: w lost :(
Khouphrane [5d\]: what is komi /
Ukasuhs [2k\]: b + 1.5
thejurist [4k\]: hehe
Khouphrane [5d\]: ?
theremin [1k\]: w+0.5
fujichan [2k\]: B+1,5
royalty [3d\]: humh..
DragonWolf [5k\]: w + 9? Se looks right to me?
Yoseki [3k\]: even, B wins
WoolyMaCha [6k\]:  W  wins
soupe: black wins
Soromon [1k\]: komi 7.5, i think white 78.5 black 79
joelw [12k\]: w thinking about r12
Singer [10k\]: komi=7.5
septa [-\]: B+ 1.5
Cz [-\]: ok stop shouting random numbers, i know 90% of you didnt actually count
Gay [4d\]: stop randomly guessing the score
fujichan [2k\]: yes septa
proutoz0re: fun to see this "+whatever.5" flood
NeverCare [?\]: lol
Yoseki [3k\]: score tied
eviiL [3d\]: thx gay
takayanagi [4d\]: w shouldve plaed a19
katori15 [4k\]: Japanese rules would be w+8.5
takayanagi [4d\]: played*
ancientOne [2d?\]: area counting, b wins
takayanagi [4d\]: b had no threats
Violence [?\]: A19 for white instead of A18....
Singer [10k\]: w+27.5 :P
ancientOne [2d?\]: not w
DaWarrior [2k\]: what if w r12 ?
dfender [1d?\]: Nonsense.
Tangerine [5k\]: w + res
Violence [?\]: err instead of B19
WWSD [1k\]: i think its 1129.6 to 1130.4
Iliusha [3d\]: b+time!
kurosama [2d\]: 80 to 78
ancientOne [2d?\]: it's aga rules, so, b wins
dfender [1d?\]: B simply won, get over it.
GoDDy [20k?\]: B+r
GoDDy [20k?\]: ?
topfar [1d\]: W wins!
noha: USGO1 [-\]: b won by resign
StoneTiger [2d\]: ...
Enraiha [8k\]: lol
Qoaden [4k\]: lol
fujichan [2k\]: ??
egemen [-\]: shhhhııııı
Tangerine [5k\]: GoDDy strong
joelw [12k\]: hehe
mlnmiles [1d\]: :)
Tobamf [2d?\]: yeah, b + 2.5
Jenghis [2k\]: Who won the tourney?
kgs1d [1k\]: .............
Qoaden [4k\]: what a troll
NeverCare [?\]: so all this playing was just a joke
Elfwood [2k\]: lol, dont fake usgo1
Qoaden [4k\]: black wins !
mitani7: w+9.5
Qoaden [4k\]: white wins !
Zyphe [9k\]: black wins
sorminator [3d\]: purple won by 3.14
eviiL [3d\]: Qoaden si right
fujichan [2k\]: B+1,5
acellist1 [5k\]: clear won
WWSD [1k\]:                                                                         .
septa [-\]: USGO wins
Singer [10k\]: Are they counting now?
elohimmeth [2k\]: blah come on.ü
meek [2k\]: i won
Gotarist [12k\]: evil wins
Tangerine [5k\]: everyone wines
fujichan [2k\]: XD
topfar [1d\]: W wins a lot!
WWSD [1k\]:                                                                                                      .
soupe: I win !!!
Pinus [2k\]: Both lose.
USGO1 [-\]: Black wins by 1.5
royalty [3d\]: sai wins
joelw [12k\]: w thinking about how to attack r12 area
kgs1d [1k\]: B + 1.5
Morgenes [1k\]: black wins, no! white wins, no! Black... withe, black (it's kinda funny ;-) )
gepay [2k\]: w 3.5
USGO1 [-\]: B+1.5
Enraiha [8k\]: hahahaha i was right
acellist1 [5k\]: yay!
noha: is it really so hard to count this game pls ... 
Yoseki [3k\]: ooooooo
dfender [1d?\]: I win.
GoRangUDan [8k?\]: we won... experience
leperenoel [-\]: hou!!!!
Gotarist [12k\]: Everybody hurts
Tobamf [2d?\]: man, I was out by 1 again :(
Enraiha [8k\]: GO 8k!!!!!!!!!!!
Qoaden [4k\]: no, they let us count
DragonWolf [5k\]: black wins 1.5..
Javaness [-\]: thank you USGO1
ejen016 [6k\]: w won
Sanyel [-\]: My mom won
Sanyel [-\]: Sorry
Praetorian [5d?\]: myungwan :)
USGO1 [-\]: thanks to everyone for watching
Singer [10k\]: ouch
Javaness [-\]: you are our favourite relayer !
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